Dark Soldier wrote:ALL THE SHOOTY BANGS ARE REVOLUTION, they stopped man mentals from shoting mans in real life innit. Tamed them psychos, just a constant day in, day out loop of pull right trigger, maybe right bumper for an explosion, eh I jumped, SHOOT AGAIN.
I don't see what you find bizarre or confusing about the distinction, it's implicit in the choice of scope. You said as much yourself.Yossarian wrote:Just to come back to this for one minute, I find this such a bizarre distinction. X isn't revolutionary because it borrowed ideas from other videogames, Y is revolutionary because it borrowed ideas from things other than videogames. Does that not seem like a slightly odd line to draw?Yes? i.e. revolutionary for videogames as a medium?
Tempy wrote:Trials stopped all the bike mentals, all the half human half bike wheeled psychos from just riding up and down people's house walls with their disgusting rubber flesh tires oh look eh jumped a ramp wow no fault whatever see ya
djchump wrote:I don't see what you find bizarre or confusing about the distinction, it's implicit in the choice of scope. You said as much yourself.Yossarian wrote:Just to come back to this for one minute, I find this such a bizarre distinction. X isn't revolutionary because it borrowed ideas from other videogames, Y is revolutionary because it borrowed ideas from things other than videogames. Does that not seem like a slightly odd line to draw?Yes? i.e. revolutionary for videogames as a medium?
This whole thread is odd, to be fair. As mentioned, this can only be subjective, any attempt to wall off X, Y or Z as an influence in order to give this some veneer of objectivity is odd.djchump wrote:The scope of videogames? What's odd about that?
It's right there in the thread title...
/shrugYossarian wrote:I'm just talking purely personally. I don't see much point in going beyond that, in any medium.
Well, yes. We're talking videogames here. Not "games in general, including boardgames, D&D, hide and seek, football, poker, tug of war, Boggle and Numberwang".Yossarian wrote:One other point, I'm not sure that talkies/wax cylinders is a particularly fair comparison. I'm discussing influences from one game to another. Does the fact that one is a videogame and one is not make it an entirely different medium?
djchump wrote:Well, yes. We're talking videogames here. Not "games in general, including boardgames, D&D, hide and seek, football, poker, tug of war, Boggle and Numberwang".Yossarian wrote:One other point, I'm not sure that talkies/wax cylinders is a particularly fair comparison. I'm discussing influences from one game to another. Does the fact that one is a videogame and one is not make it an entirely different medium?
I don't see how that has you flummoxed, a distinction between videogames - as per the thread title - and "games in general".
djchump wrote:Well, yes. We're talking videogames here. Not "games in general, including boardgames, D&D, hide and seek, football, poker, tug of war, Boggle and Numberwang".Yossarian wrote:One other point, I'm not sure that talkies/wax cylinders is a particularly fair comparison. I'm discussing influences from one game to another. Does the fact that one is a videogame and one is not make it an entirely different medium?
I don't see how that has you flummoxed, a distinction between videogames - as per the thread title - and "games in general".
Or at least a daft topic to have any pretence to objectivity toward.Yossarian wrote:I think revolutions in videogames is a daft topic to be discussing.
Then stop trying to discuss it, and stop derailing the conversation for people that wanted to?Yossarian wrote:I think revolutions in videogames is a daft topic to be discussing.
stonechalice wrote:Was Halo a revolution? It was considered to be one by many. I would consider it one.
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