I am, think I've pretty much given up on BF4 as being a fucking chore. I know I've got to be in a team, but it's so bloody organised, I can't always plan when I'll be online, and trying to solo on BF4 usually gets you nowhere.

Not that Ghosts is a patch on the earlier games.

Spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die that sums up CoD ghosts.

TreD wrote:

Spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die, spawn die that sums up CoD ghosts.

No offence, but that sums up every FPS online if you suck at it.

Ah, so its my lack of skill and not the horrific spawn system that anyone who has put anytime into ghosts will tell you about. Go back one page and watch the video I posted and tell me its a lack of skill or bad game design.

Dark Soldier wrote:

Ooff, shots fired by Swirl

I did say "no offence".

TreD wrote:

Ah, so its my lack of skill and not the horrific spawn system that anyone who has put anytime into ghosts will tell you about. Go back one page and watch the video I posted and tell me its a lack of skill or bad game design.

The spawn system can be as broken as you want, my statement stands. If you're dying all the time, someone is doing the killing. Someone who is probably better at the game than you.

I've put my time into online shooters, I spent three or so years playing pretty much nothing but Halo 3. I know how annoying a broken spawn can be, or how frustrating an abusable game mechanic can be. But if you're doing nothing but dying, there's probably someone doing a lot of killing. Are they winning because of the broken spawns, or winning despite the broken spawns?

Diluted Dante wrote:

Yeah Swirl, it's the fact that the spawning is so fucked that it's possible to kill someone, then run over to where they spawn next and headshot them before they can move that is the issue.

Welcome to online shooters. This is called 'spawn trapping' and is a common feature in competitive play of all shooters. Just watch any pro Halo 3 or Reach match. The words "spawn trap" will be said at least once, I guarantee you. I've watched games of Halo 3 where the guy gets about 8 kills in a row about one second after the other guy spawns. No one complains about it, they just get on with trying to re-take map control.

Anywho, my statement was meant as humour, not to offend, and I apologise for ruffling any feathers. You have to admit it's true; if you got my Mum playing online shooters, "spawn die spawn die" would be the result, whether it was Quake II, Ghosts, or Titanfall.

If you die without being able to move, the game is broken.

I've spawned next to a squad in BF4 more than once.

Aye but you pick where you spawn in Battlefield, so you've only yourself to blame. Unless we're talking Team Deathmatch, which has borked spawns due to the size of the maps.

TD but guessing BF4 has bigger problems than this.

It's a combination of having less time to play and less people to play with.

I'll still get the game as I like a shooter but I don't have enough time to put into MP.

Probably in the grand scheme of things it's relatively generous; I do have a season pass but I only play with bots. It's maps maps maps, a new chapter of the alien thing each time. I don't really know a bad map from a good one with bots but you end up with plenty of variety.

Anyone else still playing this on PS4? This is basically the only game I'm playing right now, since time is short and it's easy to drop in and out of.

For what it's worth having missed the actual discussion of the multiplayer, this is one of the least broken multiplayer FPS games I can remember ever having played. No stupid 'no-scoping', 'noob-tubing' or knifers. I can't say I've run into the spawn-immediately-die issue very often, and I have played a lot.

As a heads up on my background, I'd say I've played every Infinity Ward CoD for at least 50ish hours. 

I'm better than the average CoD player, so as a warning I'm coming from the perspective of a 'hardcore' online player. I feel that whilst MW had the ridiculously random noob-tube issue, MW2 had the randomness of the knife class, and MW3 had the basically skill-free no-scoping issue, I can see no particular issue in Ghosts that has unilaterally made the game less fun or skillful to play. I have a solid 65 hours behind me and can only remember a handful of times where I've spawned and died before I could do anything. Perhaps the issue is isolated to the new maps? I haven't paid for any DLC.

What I do see a lot is people spawning and immediately running towards the nearest orange dot, which is a sure-fire way to get yourself killed over and over. It's genuinely difficult for me to read that kind of complaint and not just assume the person in question is terrible at the game. Sadly, anyone can edit together a YouTube video that makes a game look broken, whereas I have actual experience and just don't see it. 

Not looking to cause a war here, just don't get the hate for the Ghosts multiplayer (granted, the campaign was Infinity Ward's worst yet).

Questions:

Why is Danger Close OP? (I don't use it, maybe I should)

Which killstreaks are horrendous?

Which annoying design choices from MW2?

Stopharage wrote:

pretty much every game I played was populated with people who were desperately massaging k/d at the expense of objectives.

To be fair, this happens in everything now.