daviedigi wrote:

Little prick. *sigh*

Bone version is an up-ressed 360 version btw.

And your just as much a fanboi as me.
So is Paul!

Matters not, were this not MGS it would be laughed at. Looks nice, plays nice, but a few missions in the exact same environment is a demo of a small variety of things. Fun for a couple of hours, glad it didn't cost me anything.

Anyway, MGS is shite whether it's a demo, on PSwhatever or on a ZX Speccy.

Fin.

Roujin wrote:

Someone needs to shove a bomb into the guts and fanny of this thread.

The real debate here should be that are gamers prepared to look past 'price/campaign length = defacto indicator of value' when it comes to titles like this.

But everyone is too busy shitting into their hands, rubbing it into their faces and mouths and then flinging whatever is left up the walls.

Agreed, this thread is now a fucking car crash and I apologise for my part in making it happen.

Is this the next gen thread?

TAKE MY MONEY

IN THE ASS

I dunno why people are getting mad, no one gave a shit when South Park did an episode where Hilary Clinton had a thermonuclear device implanted up her chuff, all of a sudden Kojima shamelessly copies the idea for use in a game and everyone's gone full Kotaku.

That was implicit, I got a two for one by dropping the word retard and replacing it with Kotaku. Allowing me to mock both the retarded and the morally outraged at the same time.

Net nannies assemble!

Useful counter-instance: There's a chunk of an already large book - Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow - devoted to the long coercion of two soldiers, a young man and woman, into sexual slavery by a sadistic, almost mystical military chief at a rocket testing facility during WWII. (The whole thing is self-consciously discussed as a Hansel & Gretel parable but that's by-the-by). It's fairly graphic and we're in no doubt that it's not a lot of fun for the kids, or indeed the chief to some extent. Crucially, this takes place in a book, a very thorough book, in which each character is granted a rich internal psychological life and thus some degree of autonomy as interesting creatures in their own right - no one is being deployed as a blunt and lurid motivational object for Solid fucking Snake the digital puppet spyman. No one is being asked to put the book down to drive a truck.

What I'm proffering here is that if you want to go into the experiences, confusions and consequences of torture, war, torture-in-war, even cartoonishly awful torture like Koj's selection, you need to be a better writer. Pynchon is among the greatest writers alive or dead with a peerless command over the English language and only gets away with anything remotely similar at all by being exhaustively humane to the minds and identities of his cast. It's cruel to a point, but it's rich and illuminating; it feels authentic and, heavens a-fucking-bove, mature. It also requires a lot of intellectual space.

See, part of being a better writer is picking the right medium for the job. Fucking Metal Gear Solid, the Tactical Espionage Action vehicle is not it, at all. Koj's constant error is in supposing otherwise, which is why all of his studio's output has been bloated, frustrating dreck with weak scripts that never rises above "bad anime plus uhh some geopolitics memes I guess; cue orchestral gimmicks". He/his team know only raw rule/level/behaviour/combat design (also presentation to an extent, I mean those Shinkawa doodles right?) with any convincing competence; restricting their flair to that would actually be evidence of he and they not being total pillocks.

I've checked out the offending section, aye.

I'll post wherever I damn please, especially where I detect people being blinkered dorks.

I explained in detail why if he's interested in mature storytelling he's fundamentally barking up the wrong conifer.

You throw a list of his topics at me when I've already acknowledged same and stated he fucking sucks at them.

It's not simply about Torture, it's about context, execution and power dynamics. Koj's grasp of these is simplistic and sensational, and it actively nerfs the stuff he's actually got a talent for.

I'm aware of PW actually, was the last thing I gave a looksee on my PSP before it died. It doesn't help.

Trouble with a Name as prominent and with as large a subscriber base as MGS is that no one calls them out on their shit with sufficient force, and so the products never really improve. In truth Kojware had been guilty of some pretty fucking suspect gender stuff as far back as Snatcher - this is just his most crude instance to date.

Causing offence to, at best, generate discussion about the causation of offence is really fucking lazy and artless. As bad as the whole shit-game-to-make-a-point-about-shit-games wheeze. Actually worse here for treating material as powerfully triggering as rape and torture so casually (and it must be casual in that the main meat of the experience is still a technical stealth-em-up). This doesn't elevate the material - it compromises it gravely.

Perhaps I missed something, as I never saw any scenes of Anywhere in my playthrough. There were plenty of hints in the cassettes I listened to, but nothing explicitly shown. It was all left to the imagination.

All in all, I thought the game was fantastic. A great prelude to The Phantom Pain, showcasing some of the new features that we can expect to see more of in the concluding part of Metal Gear Solid V.
From the opening cutscene that reminded me of the quality of MGS2's intro, to the ending that left me wanting more, Ground Zeroes was more than I expected.

Just a shame that the ending was spoiled for me by some careless folk around here. Spoiler tags are there for a reason, fellow Badgers.

Paul the sparky wrote:

Having my sanity questioned by someone with a history of mental health issues? Lol indeed.

Classy stuff there Paul.

I suffered from depression, that doesn't take away my right to laugh at someone going completely over the top.  And where was I "questioning your sanity"? 

I think you lost it a little over the fanboi stuff mate, it was all a bit of banter, which you've completely gone silly about and got personal hence your remarks about someone who has suffered from depression not be being able to disagree or laugh because you're throwing an internet hissyfit because, ya know, "they're too mental lol". 

I do think you should read up on depression though - seeing as you obviously don't understand it or what it entails.

I'm gonna get this, 22 quid on amazon is fine for something that I'm sure I'll get enjoyment from.