Console manufacturers wanting a cut of any monthly fee is a much bigger reason.

Nintendo are going to be trying to convince people to replace something that they don't use anymore. I don't know anyone with a Wii that has played it in the past year, probably two, maybe more. In fact the people I know with a Wii played SMG1, Wii Sports and Kart when people came over, then it had long since been consigned to the garage, attic, cupboard under the stairs by the time of SMG2. 

The novelty long since wore off for the casual adult crowd that aren't really into computer games. The software dried up and everyone's moved into the camp of Apple. Parents are going to have reservations about being asked to buy something the child hasn't used since two or three Christmases ago. 

I'd expect regular gaming punters to take a wait and see approach based on what's released for it. But if no one buys it, then nothing will be released for it. The 'Mario and Zelda will shift units' argument is true. But it didn't help many 3rd party devs make money from the Wii. 1st party games sold well, most other stuff didn't.

If the Wii U is going to sell, Nintendo need to change some of their ideas. Lots of games, lots of support for 3rd parties producing 'hardcore' games. Still plenty of casual titles too. But less shovelware as it deteriorates trust in the consumer. Nearly everything for the Wii was shit, so you're less inclined to take a punt on a title. 


Like Sony though, I don't think they've got it in them to produce the full-on software blitz they need to shift their new hardware.

It can quite happily accommodate existing MMOs like WoW.  It's even getting a new one in the shape of Dragon Quest X.  I'll be giving that a try.

I remember Miyamoto way back before Skyward Sword's release saying the next Zelda would be unlike anything anyone has ever played before. And some thought it'd be Zelda in space and the like.

I don't think so when the controller also has buttons and analogue sticks.  How many hands have you got?  If the screen was capacitive multi touch that would shoot the price up and everyone would be bitching and complaining about that.

Raiziel wrote:

@Elm Perhaps, but out of the box and standard is important in my opinion.  That's why I think Microsoft would be fools not to include Kinect as standard with their next console. 

They can't do that because there's 18 odd million people who already have Kinect and won't want to be forced to buy another one.

And if you don't have Kinect you're not going to be keen on being forced to buy one either.

The only way they could justify bundling it is if it gets a massive hardware spec boost, and I can't really see that happening.

What they should do is give you a little mic bar like the Wiimote sensor in every box. Voice control is great, waving your arms about, not so much.

How would you hold the pad and use multi-touch at the same time? Surely that would be the waste of time. Single touch should be sufficient when you've got the rest of a pad to work with too.

Diluted Dante wrote:

I have multiple fingers on each hand though Raz.

I knew you were going to say that!    But do you need to touch the screen in multiple places at the same time when you've got plenty of other input options.

EDIT: Tiger beat me to it.

@Mod.  I assumed Microsoft were working on a next gen version of Kinect.  Are they not?

Eh?  It's a touch screen, it works fine.  It's just not multitouch.

That I can certainly agree with.

Raiziel wrote:

Eh?  It's a touch screen, it works fine.  It's just not multitouch.

If you're only prodding at on-screen buttons then what's the point if you've got buttons built into the thing in the first place? 

Multi-touch lets you do all sorts of stuff other than just jabbing away with a single digit. 

And considering there's the possibility that you'll be pressing this screen quickly to do something in-game, it should be able to register more than one input at a time to avoid frustration. A button not working because you hit it marginally before you lifted your finger off the other side of the screen might be as annoying as hell.

Probably not make or break on whether I'll buy it admittedly.

The Wii U is a big DS.

That's that explained in a neatly wrapped up nutshell.

Diluted Dante wrote:

Tiger, you'd hold it in exactly the same way you would for single touch. Plant's vs Zombies on the iPad says that yes, I do need to be able to touch the screen in multiple places at the same time.

I'm not even bothering after that.

tigerswiftly wrote:

How would you hold the pad and use multi-touch at the same time? Surely that would be the waste of time. Single touch should be sufficient when you've got the rest of a pad to work with too.

... the same way you hold an iPad and use multi-touch?

Mod74 wrote:

I still think looking down and up again from you lap is a terrible idea.

Actually, I never thought of that.  I got neck cramp from trying to play Skyrim with a guide book.