I don't think OG Tomb Raider really belongs in 2013 either. Boobs.

I've still not got round to playing the new one but I am a fan of what they seemed to be doing with it.

I think she's still got tits in the new one Mod, although as it's an origin story they're of the pert, sixteen year old variety if that floats your perverted boat.

@Sparky

You can have it if I can find it, I think it's at my parents house though.

What made the original TR great was that you only had to kill a handful of grumpy bears and some wolves, which probably wouldn't have bothered you at all if you hadn't woken them from hibernation by your stomping around their habitats in the first place, and the rest of the time you were left alone to explore and navigate these massive empty spaces. That and the pointy tits.

It's just gone Gremill. I think some kids have pinched it.

Brooks wrote:

Feel like the industry basically managed to back itself into a corner resource-wise this gen, as in the only people in the hiring pool are basically honed to fine, dorky point in a really narrow series of re-interpretations of very old shit without actually stopping to examine whether those would actually survive a radical upgrade in cosmetics. And then there's the cat'n'mouse between what the publishers think its audience is and wants and the audience under conditions of increasing commercial pressure, all to a backdrop of macroeconomic dread and risk aversion.

It's sort of funny how many of these games are wantonly post-apocalyptic. It's in the entrails you guys

this basically nails how I feel about the industry now. Back in the last gen (ps2) you had big studios throwing their weight behind nicher, wackier, interesting games. Now all the interesting stuff is basically capable of modernising the super mario bros template.

The old days when rockstar could do bully, warriors and GTA now does GTA, and expansion packs. The Kojima who made mgs, Zoe and boktai is glued to mgs. capcom could throw 5 (four new ops) games to the gamecube.

HD leads to increased cost but for little tangible interesting return.

hylian_elf wrote:

JonB wrote:

What made the original TR great was that you only had to kill a handful of grumpy bears and some wolves, which probably wouldn't have bothered you at all if you hadn't woken them from hibernation by your stomping around their habitats in the first place, and the rest of the time you were left alone to explore and navigate these massive empty spaces. That and the pointy tits.

There were some monsters too, no? Towards the end. galloping weird things. Plus that bloke. And wasn't Natalya, or whatever her name is, the last boss?

I remember a French guy ("a little late for ze prizegiving, no?") and a hillbilly.

I was exaggerating some. There were a few humans towards the end, and some flying beasts (and that was the weakest part of the game). The odd dinosaur too. The point is it wasn't combat focused, that was just a sideline for the most part, for a change of pace (pacing was a major strong point). For me TR has always been weaker the more combat it's had.

JonB wrote:

I was exaggerating some. There were a few humans towards the end, and some flying beasts (and that was the weakest part of the game). The odd dinosaur too. The point is it wasn't combat focused, that was just a sideline for the most part, for a change of pace (pacing was a major strong point). For me TR has always been weaker the more combat it's had.

Nowadays it's just juvenile torture porn...



fucking tragic

g.man

It's odd they put in those bits of ultra violence in new TR. Especially considering when she dies in combat she just comically ragdolls like most other titles this gen. I'm interested in how they came to decide they'd include those.

Looking at Dead Space, that actually suited the tone.

n0face wrote:

Dunno how many times I face planted croft just to hear that neck break sound.

Swan diving off the top of St Francis' Folly was a highlight.

I'm still not buying this, guys.

Talking about games that dont do what you're asking is great 'n all, but there are plenty of games none of you are even discussing.

Dissecting the latest Tomb Raider is fucking easy. It's a big (massive) budget game, built in the US, designed by a Brit, for a western audience wanting an easily digestible, prime-time videogame.

What you want to play is out there. It might not be marketed heavily at the end of a console cycle, but it's there.

If what you want to play is PS2-era Japanese ports like Mr. Mosquito then I dont know what to tell you...

I have three games that just got released on my Steam profile. 

Ducktales HD, Payday 2 and Europa Universalis 4. Three more different games you could not find.

If I look at my Steam profile played list, it looks like this:



Obviously, my steam profile is not indicative of the industry as a whole. But it proves that there is variety.

@googs That's like saying there's no problem with the portrayal of women in videogames because if you look hard enough you'll find alternatives.

I think you've both misread it, I think Gremill is jaded and old and wanted to rant.

Sasukekun wrote:

@googs That's like saying there's no problem with the portrayal of women in videogames because if you look hard enough you'll find alternatives.

I dont think so.

Your specific example doesnt make sense. The discussion here seems to be that as a whole that we're worried about the distinct lack of fun/positive influence that our games have today. It's not a discussion of enjoyment but more on the lack of bright sunshine, sunny disposition, positive outlook, etc. 

Or do I have that incorrect?

I personally have no gripe with the portrayal of women in videogames. I live in the real world and interact with women on a daily basis. I'm aware of the distinction between real life and videogames. I dont need videogames to reflect real life all the time.

But that's a different discussion.