I was bemoaning a lack of cleavage and puzzles, that's what I need from TR.

There are of course games out there that aren't dark and gritty. I'm not going to play them on my phone and I can't afford a Wii U or a 3DS. So I do find it refreshing that Minecraft has sold 8 million copies on 360.

The change of tone in Tomb Raider seems incredibly forced to me. There was no natural evlution that led us to this point.

I wish more blockbusters were rated 12 or below.

That would be because you're wrong of course.

No need to, I got the correct answer first time.

Because you're always wrong.

It's more dark/gritty are common bywords for mature/serious in games, because there seems to be a lack of imagination to realise these things in other ways, and it's a bit tedious, or just unnecessary.

So, with something like TR it's questionable whether it needs to be 'serious' at all, and if it does is dark/gritty/violent the most interesting way to go about it.

That's what I thought we were on about anyway.

I loved Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, one of my favourite games of last gen.

Then they went the 'adult' route and ruined the series.

optimark_prime wrote:

I loved Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, one of my favourite games of last gen.

'Twas a gem.

I'm surprised by the video of the collection of death sequences from the recent Tomb Raider, my first thought was how on earth did they get that past the rating board, it's not too far off AvP or Dead Space levels of violence.

It's all about the blood and they show quite a lot of it, in the wolf bite scene there are several red clouds.  But it's not in every shot, and I think more frequent or sustained levels of gore have a big impact.

Still haven't played it, it's on my backlog!

At the end of the day Grem, TR became exceptionally popular for a bunch of reasons that wouldn't allow a new TR to be anywhere near as popular now.  No matter how much you'd enjoy it playing it with your kid, it doesn't change the fact that the reasons TR was popular when it first came out would almost certainly not help it sell on the same scale now.

I like to think that those sort of family oriented exploration and adventure games are still around today, they're just not the big mainstream titles, the market has become to big for that except the odd surprise hit.

World of Warcraft filled an exploration hole for a generation of teenagers. Some of my best gaming memories in 6th form were playing that.

It's horrific, turn back now.

Only done the first episode, shall carry on tomorrow as it's late (copout). Seeing yourself through the Shibito's own eyes is heart stopping.

Another extension on gaming's chav palace.

Early programmers were forced to focus on micro design. The 32-bit era was likely the richest crossover point for new-wave macro and old-school micro design (3D Deathchase to WipEout via Stunt Car Racer).

The imaginative sensibilities of those raised on limitations have given way to Medusan-minded modders.

I believe Toy Story 3 was genuinely excellent. So good shout. It certainly seems to have informed the design of Disney Infinity, which may well be one of the best games this year.

I haven't completed the new TR yet but it does seem unneccesarily gory in a lot of parts. I don't buy TR for the gore, I buy it for the puzzles, and the sense of freedom and exploration. The puzzles have been sadly lacking since about TR3. Whoever it was who said TR is better with less combat, more puzzles has it bang on.