Ive replayed a few stages several times but thats another goal of mine, to give it another full run, while ignoring the stupid parts (Like playing dear esther with the narration off)

You're generalising again, Yoss. People who generalise are never taken seriously.

No I won't. Cos it's you.

ohhhhh this is about that other thread. ad i love how you called the strong sections of the game storytelling 'anally retentive background garbage' sorry to say it but youre coming across as a bit of a bigot, with little comprehension of the dissonance between the craft of the game and the featherweight central plot

sorry yoss big love and all but the notion is absolute horseshit, it benefits from being able to deliver ANY kind of media, and can tell a story in endless numbers of ways, including good old fashioned text (although dishonoreds best details are environmental) - of course its most celebrated delivery is enviromental (there is a wealth of environmental detail in dishonored that invites analysis), where you can read the events that went before, maybe contribute to them by your own actions, you know WRITE THE GAME BY HOW YOU PLAY IT *RAINBOW FACE*. garbage, the beauty is the unity of recognied media that can resonate with the uninitiated and the more emergent results based on your actions. I dont know if you make games, or have ever tried to make a game, but generally the emergent stuff goes in the 'if only we had 500 million dollors to make a game with and the most mindbendingly multidimentionallly aware writers in history' because like it or not with no strong narrative ancyhors by fucking good writers the self creating wondergame is sunk, and trying to explain to a publisher that your game will be great, it'll just spout garbage from a huge resource of garbage to help you relate your actions to any notion of progression will not go down well

The anal retentive shit you were dismissive of, was the game, and to seriously group that level of talent behind the production of the game to taking that bullshit main story seriouslys a massive insult to the developers. I thought by now, we all being now in our late 20s or 30s, understand that even te most daring of games have to make concessions or they will get no backing. The bits in dishonored where youre talking to those twats in the pub endlessly and its all so incredibly backwards is a vast contrast to the nature of the game when youre actually in a proper stage, feeling born to thump people on the back of the head and the main plot stuff being pretty minimal and all the interestng stuff about the game world and the weirdos who inhabit it are at the fore,in fact fun curios everywhere even without reading the backstories and threads scattered about, which you obviously read with consideration given the preconception youve made about any narrative content that isnt a lumbering scene where you know exactly whats going to happen from quite early on

The main thing that irks me with this judgement is youre implying the developers are fucking retarded, i think anyone who has ever seen a film can find the obvious plot stuff purely by numbers. Demeaning a lot of hard work and clear love for the game because you had to read it yourself, and its making a bold attempt to offset the massive shortfall in the main plot, is pretty lame, and when peple say in regard to games as a media that storytelling is only relevant if you 'make it as you play' clearly has no comprehension of what tat actually involves, and imo the beauty of the mediu, that i hate calling games, is its easy unifcation of all media, and using all that media to create a experiene of your own and even more, being able to unify then subvert traditional media, do anything really!


Man I feel quite strongly about this game dont I

Fact is the main plot is a pile of crap. And I genuinely think it has very little to do with the direction of the main brains behind it intended. It suffered from having to make mney seem likely given it was a new ip and the people with money, you could call them savvy, i call them massive cunts typically had their lackeys stamp all over it wherever they could. 'sorry thats too weird, it cant go in' it turns up later in a text in some remote room, but as you didnt write that text yourself its valueless

if you wanna play a game where the experience is to make the story happen via gameplay, get unity and simply treat the process of making a game like you were playing a game

Mainly at yoss, his theory about self propelled narrative creation is as wonky as using more well known media, a game experience needs to be cogent and given the experience could be absolutely anything imaginable, every available media is a tool, and the make the story as you play it hoo haa is a lovely idea and id love to see a strong system able to drive that in a structured way (so in pure practical sense the code isnt a horror) but its a bit away. If he means the recounts you might give of playing a game with a fixed narrative but broad gameplay options whre you beat a section in an ingenious way and that itself was a story, then i belive strongly that games do provide that kind of experience, but since dishonored actually offers this constantly and we can almost all agre you have to stray the beaten path to find the meat of the game world, im wonderng simply that yoss is sad the often very beautiful game art doesnt build itself based on which guard you killed and and some jaunt into entirely procedurally generated territory was to be expected, maybewhere if you like walking slowly in the game its all meadows or something, youre creating thestory yourself man, its good news arkane employed the entire population of china to create the outsourced assets

LazyGunn wrote:

If he means the recounts you might give of playing a game with a fixed narrative but broad gameplay options whre you beat a section in an ingenious way and that itself was a story, then i belive strongly that games do provide that kind of experience.

This is precisely what I'm talking about. The OCD filling in of every possible facet of the backstory of this world gets in the way of that.

So Mod and Yoss are the same person, or what? I'm confused.

Roujin wrote:

So Mod and Yoss are the same person, or what? I'm confused.

Mod's his Dad. They haven't spoken since 1997 after a disagreement about the story arc of Mario 64.

The control layout is much like Bioshock's which I remember was fine for M&K. Only played it on PS3.

Not at all.  I switch between k&m and joypad - even during a session.  Both control wonderfully.

And now I'm here 'cause I forgot to plug my joypad in before starting the game and the movement feels stodgy on K&M.

Will do.

I got bored of this towards the end. Can't remember exactly where I reached, but I suddenly lost motivation for it. Ho hum.

You lose the variable walking speed using keyboard but you have superior aiming for blink.

I remapped the mouse buttons as I think they default to combat which I avoided completely. I only used blink (not upgraded) in my playthrough.

I've been killing all the motherfuckers. I start sneaking, but it never lasts.