I mean the reference to the Palestinians in the OP is in the context of providing links to charitable organisations helping out with the humanitarian crisis (they don’t have the basic supplies required to support life). There isn’t a corresponding reference to Israel because there isn’t a corresponding humanitarian crisis.

Knight wrote:

As for the ‘slow genicide of the Palestinian people’ in the OP.

The children in Gaza don't exhibit PTSD because there is no "post" for them. It's something they've been living with their entire lives. 16 days of relentless bombing is completely destroying them, mentally.

I'm thoroughly sick and tired of a humanitarian stance being painted as antisemitic.

The only trope I can see is mention of "rich Jews" being a factor in all this on page one, for a few posts. I too thought it was maybe putting us on a slippery slope but didn't post at the time. Just my observation.

It's very easy to point the finger from a distance; especially if we don't have a dog in the fight as it where.

Horrifically complicated but I've always observed that Israel seem to have a golden ticket to do pretty much what they want.

I'm still wondering if the initial Hamas attack was designed to prompt such a response and if so is the level of response that is under way accounted for?

Right now there has to be a deal with respect to a ceasefire, restoration of services and access to aid in return for the hostages.  As to what happens next there needs to be leadership on both sides.

Well, antisemitism was weaponised by the establishment as a means of eradicating Corbyn and any threat that he (and the groundswell of support for his views) may have posed to the status quo. Not that Corbyn was ever actually antisemitic of course (or tolerated/condoned it in any form).

There are many reasons why the UK and US govts in particular consider the Israeli govt as an ally. In part it is a global balancing act, siding with a powerful foreign state to try to ensure regional stability in the middle east (and look how well that's going). Unfortunately much of it also has to do with corruption, money and frankly racist agendas pursued by these major govts. 

It's no secret that the Tory govt (and now Starmer's Labour Party too) consider Islamic extremism as the greatest single threat to global security. Unfortunately, not only is this a rather myopic world view but also, in the case of the Tories particularly, this spills over into rampant islamophobia (as evidenced in abundance lately). 

It's also no secret that the Tories have been breaking international law with impunity by selling around £500m of arms to the Israeli regime in recent years. Our govt knows perfectly well that the Israeli govt have been committing atrocities against the Palestinian people for generations, but they believe that siding with them is the only route to global security, even if it means selling them the munitions with which they are committing such atrocities.

The tightrope which the US and UK govts are currently trying to walk is on the verge of snapping, at which point their disingenuous cries to the Israeli regime to 'abide by international law' will become untenable as they've made themselves utterly complicit in one of the worst genocides of the modern era.

AndCallMeCharlie wrote:

I am fairly sure that it could be objectively proven that Jewish people are very successful at generating wealth.

I'm really not sure that's helping.

Remember that correlation is not the same as causation, and broad generalisations about a group of people are rarely accurate and generally unconstructive.

GurtTractor wrote:

I think a spate of serious terror attacks are virtually guaranteed.

Our govt's unabashed support for a genocidal anti-muslim regime will undoubtedly be a catalyst for further terrorist atrocities on UK soil too.

While I think Greta herself may have innocently had that, it's prominent placement was no accident.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/greta-thunberg-octopus-palestine-israel-gaza-1234859322/

Had to look this up. Almost a joke indeed.

I've seen a few of her interviews lately, including one with Naftali Bennett yesterday, and she's pretty tenacious in the face of ludicrous attempts to portray Israel as a victim rather than the major aggressor in this conflict. There have also been IDF representatives still trying to deny in recent days that there is any kind of humanitarian crisis in Gaza, despite the displacement of millions of people, the cutting off of water, and the wholesale razing to the ground of entire districts. It's also beyond farcical to attempt to claim that the IDF are 'minimising civilian casualties' in the face of all of this, especially as the civilian death toll has now reached over 5000 in the past couple of weeks alone.

A source familiar with the progress of the Hamas hostage release talks being brokered by Qatar told me earlier that negotiations to get more people freed from Gaza had entered a "serious stage".

They said "intense and focused" talks through a Qatari mediator and involving the US were ongoing, to build on Friday's release of two US citizens.

Hamas was said to have given a "positive response" regarding the release of about 50 foreign and dual-nationality civilian hostages in exchange for a ceasefire and the entry of more aid into Gaza.

The source said Israel's rejection of any ceasefire was holding up any breakthrough.

Responding to reports that Hamas might trade foreign hostages in return for a ceasefire, a senior official in the Israeli government responded: “A ceasefire is ridiculous! It's like asking the US for a ceasefire after 9/11 - and this is 20 times worse."

In its latest count, Israel estimated that 222 people are being held by Hamas in Gaza.

- BBC

Biden -

“I caution this: while you feel that rage, don’t be consumed by it,” Biden said. In an apparent reference to the US’s prosecution of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, he added: “After 9/11, we were enraged in the United States. When we sought justice and got justice, we also made mistakes.”

Israel risked “losing credibility worldwide” if it did not “relieve the suffering of people who have nowhere to go”, Biden said, describing “very blunt” conversations with officials in Tel Aviv during his visit.

Then there's our cunt Sunak who just 'wants Israel to win'...

A powerful and, for the author, potentially (probably, from what Noxy reports) high stakes indictment of Germany’s suppression of support for Palestinians:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/23/bosnia-muslims-germany-gaza-ethnic-cleansing-palestinian

Explores the ridiculous idea that expressing support for and condemning atrocities against Palestinians is equivalent to antisemitism, especially if we don’t preface and end every comment on the subject with “hamas are terrorists and performed heinous acts”, like some kind of nursery catechism for infantile thinkers

And lo Islamophobia is gaining traction. Was planning a holiday to US/New York next year, not sure anymore!

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/oct/23/mp-stopped-from-boarding-air-canada-flight-as-his-name-was-mohammad