Paul the sparky wrote:

What resolution does the Kindle run CoD at?

Enough terraflops thats how many.

danclarke wrote:

Outlaw wrote:

Do you know I have no idea why I wanted games consoles as a child. I don't remember any specific games or graphics or anything that made me go "Ooooh...must have" yet I've always played them. I just enjoyed the ones I tried and so got them as presents I think. I know I bought my 3DS purely for Animal Crossing, other than that I can't think of a single experience or game that made me buy any of my consoles.

Yep - why do people seem to go apeshit about 720/1080, yet in the same breath will rationally explain why they'd prefer the 3DS over the Vita?

Exactly. I mean I'm a Nintendo fanboy, but even 1080p WiiU stuff probably won't look nearly as good as Xbone stuff at 720.

But on the other hand I'd bet new Mario will play like a fucking dream.

danclarke wrote:

Outlaw wrote:

Do you know I have no idea why I wanted games consoles as a child. I don't remember any specific games or graphics or anything that made me go "Ooooh...must have" yet I've always played them. I just enjoyed the ones I tried and so got them as presents I think. I know I bought my 3DS purely for Animal Crossing, other than that I can't think of a single experience or game that made me buy any of my consoles.

Yep - why do people seem to go apeshit about 720/1080, yet in the same breath will rationally explain why they'd prefer the 3DS over the Vita?

Gameplay? There's nothing on the Vita that would tempt me but on the DS - as long as you can wade through the mountains of crap they release on it - there's tons of good stuff.

AND for £400 I could have a Vita, a 3DS both games and a kinder egg.

On the 3ds vs vita you aren't comparing like with like, Mario 3dland has no equivalent on vita.

Whereas in the console race you have ms asking for £430 to play "next gen" battlefield @720 rez vs Sony asking for £350 to play battlefield @1080p rez.

its playing identical games, but paying next gen prices for experiences that should be available today. (given how this gen of consoles was advertised as being HD and everything)

Good point!

I think I'll be spending the next year playing catch-up with the many digital games I've downloaded (PS+ is a blessing and a curse), not to mention some of the retail games that I've missed along the way, plus there's Destiny and Titanfall next Spring and many others, I'm sure.

Speaking of catching up, I've finally gone back to Serious Sam 3 (bought when it came out on XBLA) and think I'll have it done in the next day or so. Even picked up The First and Second Encounter while they're cheap, adding more fuel to the fire.

Vela wrote:

I'm kind of unimpressed with the new machines because at this stage there isnt anything new they are able to do.

What new stuff did the SNES do over the NES?  What new stuff did the PS1 do over the legacy machines?  PS2 over PS1?  Xbox over the PS1-era machines?  GameCube over N64?

I don't think you need a big "new thing;"  the same but better works well for me.

Elmlea wrote:

What new stuff did the SNES do over the NES?

MODE 7!

Elmlea wrote:

What new stuff did the PS1 do over the legacy machines?  PS2 over PS1?  Xbox over the PS1-era machines?  GameCube over N64? I don't think you need a big "new thing;"  the same but better works well for me.

PS1 introduced (or popularised) fmv and actual arcade quality ports back when that was a huge deal. PS1/N64/Saturn were all doing 3D with polygons as opposed to sprites.

XBox (and to a lesser extent PS2 and DC) introduced online console multiplayer in a meaningful sense.

But that is getting away from the spirit of my original comment on the debate. I appreciate it is not an empirical claim, but the problem for me with the next gen is there isn't anything that to me defines it as a clear jump ahead - and this is made especially clear when pretty much every game has a cross-gen version coming out the same month.

There is no Mario 64, Soul Calibur, Wii Sports, or even MGS2 teaser video to demonstrate why the new machines are a meaningful leap over what already exists.

b0r1s wrote:

Think you're spot on there Chief On my immediate list are GTA V WW HD Zombie U Earthbound Luigis mansion 2 Fire Emblem TLoU Far Cry 3 Borderlands 2 X-Com In fact looking at that list I would say it probably outshines the launch list for both PS4 and XB1.

Given that most of those games are shining examples from a whole generation I would expect them to outshine the games on consoles that are only 1 day old.

The thing for me is that I have been ready for a new generation for the last 2 years at the very least.

mistercrayon wrote:

The other main issue is that there is so much crossover between the gens in terms of games it really questions what kind of upgrade we are getting.

I agree, that really is quite a big thorn in the side of these upcoming launches. When you have the most popular games (Battlefield, CoD, FIFA) all readily already available on this gen and even one of the most anticipated titles (Titanfall) launching on both this and next gen it should be clear that it will effect your sales/take-up.

mistercrayon wrote:

It might be that the new gens are just upscalinh oldgen stuff in their stride but the facts are that xbone isn't even able to 1080p a current gen game.

I wouldn't worry about that too much. Don't forget that it is pushing out a 1080/60 version of Forza so there is obviously some scope involved, plus given the power of these new consoles and seeing what we are getting out current hardware I am in no doubt that we will be seeing some pretty funky stuff, obviously this doesn't help with initial sales but it does bode well for the future.

I'm gutted that I paid for the campaign dlc for The Last of Us and yet I'll now not get to play it.

Outlaw wrote:

Why won't you get to play it?

The 360 and PS3 are both going to the great GAME trade-in heaven on Sunday.

Liveinadive wrote:

AND for £400 I could have a Vita, a 3DS both games and a kinder egg.

What resolution does a Kinder egg run at?

Mod74 wrote:

Liveinadive wrote:

AND for £400 I could have a Vita, a 3DS both games and a kinder egg.

What resolution does a Kinder egg run at?

Not as good as it used to.