I think there are definitely other advanced civilizations out there. Id bet 5 whole pounds on it. Im certain there are. I dont believe in the great filter either. Maybe it holds true for most civilisations but there are always exceptions.GurtTractor wrote:There's also the thing of perhaps we just haven't looked hard enough yet -Sourcey paper A more simple summary - https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/only-small-fraction-space-has-been-searched-aliens https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2018/10/02/into-the-cosmic-haystack/ -However, perhaps more importantly for now, even order-of-magnitude estimates of the SETI space searched to date are valuable because they rebut the pervasive misconception that SETI work to date has significantly “sharpened” the Fermi Paradox or proven so dispositive that SETI can be said to have “failed” to find what it seeks. We should be careful, however, not to let this result swing the pendulum of public perceptions of SETI too far or the other way by suggesting that the SETI haystack is so large that wecan never hope to find a needle. The whole haystack need only be searched if one needs to prove that there are zero needles—because technological life might spread through the Galaxy, and/or technological species might arise independently in many places, we might expect there to be agreat number of needles to be found. Also, our haystack definition included vast swaths of interstellar space where we have no particular reason to expect to find transmitters; humanity’s completeness to subsets of this haystack—for instance, for continuous, permanent transmissions from nearby stars—is many orders of magnitude higher.Maybe, then, there is no such thing as an ‘eerie silence,’ or at least not one whose existence has been shown to be plausible. The matter seems theoretical until you realize it impacts practical concerns like SETI funding. If we assume that extraterrestrial civilizations do not exist because they have not visited us, then SETI is a wasteful exercise, its money better spent elsewhere. By the same token, some argue that because we have not yet had a SETI detection of an alien culture, we can rule out their existence, at least anywhere near us in the galaxy. What Wright wants to do is show that the conclusion is false, because given the size of the search space, SETI has barely begun. We need, then, to examine just how much of a search we have actually been able to mount. What interstellar beacons, for example, might we have missed because we lacked the resources to keep a constant eye on the same patch of sky?
poprock wrote:Isn’t Paul Stamets the name of the engineer on Star Trek Discovery who works with the mycelial network?
superflyninja wrote:
EDIT: That interview with Christopher Mellon on Joe Rogan. FFS only at the end do I find out he used to be with To the Stars Academy. He sounded quite interesting too. Damn Tom Delonge.
bad_hair_day wrote:Morning, fellow weirdos.
Can’t get much more credible mainstream reporting than 60 minutes. It’s not a question if UFO’s are real but what are they?
I really enjoyed the interview and he made a lot of sense, its just the DeLonge association is an issue for me.bad_hair_day wrote:He knew and understood that you have to get the public interested to get Congress interested to circle back to the Defence dept to get them to take a look into UFOs.superflyninja wrote:EDIT: That interview with Christopher Mellon on Joe Rogan. FFS only at the end do I find out he used to be with To the Stars Academy. He sounded quite interesting too. Damn Tom Delonge.
bad_hair_day wrote:Would help his analysis if West wasn’t just guessing.
Yossarian wrote:
The video I posted had nothing to do with the Nimitz encounter?
He seems more confident in the assessment of what the correlated systems do than West is.Yossarian wrote:Also, as an aside, amusing to have a video accusing him of guessing made by an Egyptologist.
djchump wrote:...in that video it was clearly a case of visuals being a bit confusing due to the high zoom/very narrow camera field of view.
bad_hair_day wrote:Yossarian wrote:
The video I posted had nothing to do with the Nimitz encounter?
One of the clips West mentions was the FLIR footage from the Nimitz encounters.
bad_hair_day wrote:He seems more confident in the assessment of what the correlated systems do than West is.Yossarian wrote:Also, as an aside, amusing to have a video accusing him of guessing made by an Egyptologist.
bad_hair_day wrote:He seems more confident in the assessment of what the correlated systems do than West is.Yossarian wrote:Also, as an aside, amusing to have a video accusing him of guessing made by an Egyptologist.
Yossarian wrote:UFO believers tend to be very confident in their beliefs.
This all hinges on one very important assumption, "6) FLIR was not a lucky catch. It was slaved to the radar." The problem I have with this is that the radar was not working - in that it was unable to lock onto the object, and was giving very inconsistent numbers for it. How then was it able to point the ATFLIR with 100% accuracy in the right direction, within 1% horizontally and vertically?
It it was an F-18, then obviously it would have been on the datalink. But the question that might invalidate all the other points is: was the return on Underwood's radar that he was trying to lock onto (and, it is claimed, designated as a target) the same thing that showed up on the ATFLIR. Because if it wasn't, then the other six points are moot.
mk64 wrote:long story short on the video
the plane things have special internwebs things which mean that the radar which picked up the tictac would also have been picked up on the other planez screens and also the warplanez screens. But NO ONE SAID ANYTHING
bad_hair_day wrote:bad_hair_day wrote:He seems more confident in the assessment of what the correlated systems do than West is.Yossarian wrote:Also, as an aside, amusing to have a video accusing him of guessing made by an Egyptologist.
Yossarian wrote:UFO believers tend to be very confident in their beliefs.
He didn’t mention he was a ‘believer’ in the analysis, and the object is unidentified.
Yossarian wrote:Incidentally, there is a response to that video from West here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/claim-that-the-nimitz-flir1-object-could-not-be-a-plane-because-it-would-have-been-identified.11726/
There’s a bit more detail at the link, but the main argument is this:
This all hinges on one very important assumption, "6) FLIR was not a lucky catch. It was slaved to the radar." The problem I have with this is that the radar was not working - in that it was unable to lock onto the object, and was giving very inconsistent numbers for it. How then was it able to point the ATFLIR with 100% accuracy in the right direction, within 1% horizontally and vertically?
It it was an F-18, then obviously it would have been on the datalink. But the question that might invalidate all the other points is: was the return on Underwood's radar that he was trying to lock onto (and, it is claimed, designated as a target) the same thing that showed up on the ATFLIR. Because if it wasn't, then the other six points are moot.
Its an interesting thought and im sure its correct in some cases. Look as us now, we had the industrial revolution and are quickly realising that maybe we shouldnt be fucking up the planet. We are moving to renewable energy and greener ways to live etc. So yeah I can see a path where we clean up our act and also can see the possibility that some alien cultures did evolve and skip the industrial age as you suggest. Though I think for every green,hippy civilisation there is a Chinese techno equivalent.b0r1s wrote:Question for everyone on the UFO thing and that alien civilisations have to be out there and have capability for interstellar travel. Could a reason why we have no direct proof of aliens visiting us is nothing to do with Fermi etc but also that they evolved without needing or wanting an industrial revolution? Perhaps the normal way for life to evolve is actually to become more in tune with your mental and spiritual state and living with your planet rather than trying to kill it then move on. If aliens on other planets are telling horror stories to their kids it’s probably about the evil race that destroy planets before trying to colonise others and do the same over and over again. Perhaps ships and the desire to travel comes back to the Matrix idea that we are more like a disease or parasite and need to find a new host every million years?
bad_hair_day wrote:Yossarian wrote:Incidentally, there is a response to that video from West here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/claim-that-the-nimitz-flir1-object-could-not-be-a-plane-because-it-would-have-been-identified.11726/
There’s a bit more detail at the link, but the main argument is this:
This all hinges on one very important assumption, "6) FLIR was not a lucky catch. It was slaved to the radar." The problem I have with this is that the radar was not working - in that it was unable to lock onto the object, and was giving very inconsistent numbers for it. How then was it able to point the ATFLIR with 100% accuracy in the right direction, within 1% horizontally and vertically?
It it was an F-18, then obviously it would have been on the datalink. But the question that might invalidate all the other points is: was the return on Underwood's radar that he was trying to lock onto (and, it is claimed, designated as a target) the same thing that showed up on the ATFLIR. Because if it wasn't, then the other six points are moot.
The object had been tracked in the area by the battle group, not just Underwood’s F18, that how he knew where to look and was 20 miles away when it took off.
The reason he couldn’t get a positive lock (on a commercial aircraft with no transponder?) was it was actively jamming.
You’d hope the leader of a fighter training exercise could tell if the object was a 737 or not.
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