Dwarf Fortress is one of the greatest games ever made - in my opinion - and it looks like this:

Kiltedmoose wrote:

Dwarf Fortress is one of the greatest games ever made - in my opinion - and it looks like this:

What's the premise?

Yeah the sheer layers of systems in the thing are dizzying. Shame it's a such a headache to get visually comfy with. If it ever got a makeover I'd finally actually play it instead of just read about it.

Troll.

Oh, ZZT, of course. How could I forget, or even fail to have the first clue, what ZZT is?

'tis an early effort at game world making - comes with its own editor and even an object-oriented language for extending it and there was quite a community around it at one time - could still be for all I know.

Made by Tim Sweeney who went onto do the Unreal engine if I remember correctly and leads up the company that gave us Gears of War etc.

Never heard of Dwarf Fortress though - sounds the biz but probably a headache.

An early game, though, and was also released on the last gen if I recall (PS2 anyway).

Someone just mentioned it in another thread but Deadly Premonition looks like a dog and plays like a dog but I loved it. It's got an endearing charm and York is one of the best characters ever.

Verecocha wrote:

ChopperByrne wrote:

Turok had a far better control scheme. C buttons acted like wasd on a keyboard and analog for aiming.

I loved that scheme, I'm sure you could use it on Goldeneye/Perfect Dark. As I use southpaw it was the same as a dual stick really.

That was the 'Goodnight' setting (thank you wiki). I didn't pick up an N64 until the PS2 era and it was the only way I could play Goldeneye properly. Such a fantastic game with some of the best local MP ever.

I saw people complaining about UE3 textures again and i want to put an end to this nonsense. Its fuck all to do with UE3 its the artists and the workflow. There is nothing intrinsically shitty about how UE3 does things, its the same as anything else, people just have to stick a normal, specular, diffuse and whatever else map for every model in the game inside current gen consoles with their godawful video ram limits. Lack of ambition maybe and an unwillingless to break from tried and tested art production is what causes this ugliness, and thats feck all to do with 'UE3 textures'

If you compress and lower the resolution enough of the 3 or 4 textures (maybe more) that get applied to every asset in a game with thousands of assets and its going to look lame on a system with no video memory. Case in point, look at UE3 games on pc, theyre pristine.

Sorry, needed to rant. I cant see all this being an issue in next gen consoles (This is exciting). It never really was an issue for pcs (for obvious reasons)

I didn't mean to blame UE3 when I mentioned Gears, if that's how it came across. Gears 3 looks fantastic. As does Bioshock Infinite (that's UE3, right?). I guess it has just become kinda fashionable to blame the engine because so many (console) games that use it look like dog shit.

UE3?

Dunno... I've never used it (obviously... it costs a squillion quid to publish in), but there are a few studios who have now made than one game in it, and I'm sure they'd also like to avoid this "waxwork" model criticism... So fuck knows.

...

Anyway... I've only come in here to rim Starfox on the Snes. 

Even back then, we all knew it looked crap (Virtua Racing had been out for years at the time Starfox was released), but it filled in those visual gaps with a lot of very clever ideas...

Like Yoshi's Island, I see it as one of the most inventive games ever made (for it's writing strangely enough... Think about it...), and it's a personal favourite (I still play it, and although it looks shit, as a game, I don't think it's aged much at all... Though it would be nice if it was a little faster). But unlike Yoshi's Island, I find it hard to put into a top 10, because you have to be a "hardcore" gamer to enjoy it on any (qualitative) level...

Similarly, baare' people spuff loads over Elite... 
But I was never middle class, and no-one's attempted a decent remake. : P

Aw, c'mon D.Ready, Starfox looked great! One of my most played games back then. (Which isn't saying much to be honest because even back then as a teenager with all the time on my hands, I hardly replayed any games. Just tried playing as many games as I could. )

That game was sick (Starfox), and the music was especially good, but it was no looker, I'm calling it. : P

Allegedly, Miyamoto found inspiration for the game here...





Please excuse the hotlink...

Somewhat reminiscent of the pillar sections of the Venom level on route "A", no?
It's the entrance to the shrine of some random Japanese fox god (hmm...).

Southwestern.

Seemed like Miyamoto used to go there on lunch breaks, or something...

Wikipedia wrote:

Star Fox (スターフォックス Sutā Fokkusu?) is a video game series developed and published by Nintendo. The original game was a forward-scrolling 3D Sci-Fi rail shooter. Later sequels added more directional freedom as the series progressed. The game concept was inspired by a shrine to a fox god who could fly, which Shigeru Miyamoto visited regularly. The shrine was accessible through a series of arches, thus inspiring the gameplay.

So there you go...

Man... Wtf am I stuck in London all the fucking time? I'd love to see shit like that...

Lol! A B&B Japanese road trip would be mental! Almost inexplicably, the Neo Empire massiv' did the trip annually... One week in the low season would work just fine... 

J-Stock.

Brooks will put us up. We can all sleep in the wine cellar*. 

*So long as he clears out the booze, he could probably accommodate every regular poster, our pets, road going conquests and significant others...