Isn't vapourware something that hangs around for ages and then suddenly it turns out it doesn't exist?

Whereas this has just been announced.

So, he has the foresight.

LazyGunn wrote:

i was fully enjoying the free reigniness of the video up to the bit where the dude gets pulled out the car and shot, that must be scripted but for how many different ways to appehend him.

Yeah for a single cutscene, it raises a lot of questions about the gameplay. A 'kill this target' mission on GTA could be done any way you like, more or less. The mission is accomplished when the target's health runs out. And they wouldn't work in a cutscene afterwards, because you could be chasing the guy all over town. 
The cutscene implies that you had to go the route the demo took. Unless the characters are scripted but could be imposed on whatever backdrop the kill happens to take place in. Have I seen this sort of thing in Assassin's Creed or am I imagining it?

No, Assassins Creed kinda bypasses the problem by having Ezio and the victim share a private last moment in a cutscene which looks like its in some part of the Animus.

Could just be that there's maybe 4 different outcomes and each has a seperate similar cut scene? Or as said that this kill is heavily scripted and the briefing is get seen at the exhibition, break out, kill the lights on approach and kill Demarco. The former may add replay ability, the latter will make it very linear but more 'cinematic'.

monkey wrote:

Unless the characters are scripted but could be imposed on whatever backdrop the kill happens to take place in. Have I seen this sort of thing in Assassin's Creed or am I imagining it?

I don't see that would be an unrealistic possibility.  Script the movement, set a camera angle, bosh.

The problem with the linear, cinematic experience is that it was clear that whoever was playing had practised that level over and over, lining up the perfect camera angle at various points.  You or I would find it difficult to do that, if we even had the inclination.  The worry I have is that my first thought, when he switched all the traffic lights to green at just the right time, is that a truly random game world wouldn't necessarily have the right traffic at the junction to result in a smash.

It's happening because of the way the wysiwyg editor handles pasting from a different source.  You can edit that stuff out if you want.

adkm1979 wrote:

I thought he was implying that we'll only ever see that one promising video, then it'll be lost in a mire of technical difficulties, and quietly cancelled mid-2015.

This, largely.

I'm not saying that's what is going to happen, though the game does appear to be proposing huge varieties of choice in your approach. The devs may not have outwardly said that, but the implications of being able to hack any electronic device are clear.  That's the sort of thing that, unless reined in, could easily go nowhere long term due to the sheer complexity of it all. Either that, or it's fairly tightly scripted and the awesome concept becomes somewhat diluted.

I was just surprised nobody seems to be thinking along those lines, considering how bitter and jaded you/we all are.

I'm not letting myself get hyped up for this, no matter how great that 'gameplay' trailer was. It was suggesting more possibilities than even Molyneux would dare to dream of. I think it will end up using the hacking in much the same way Red Faction used its destructible environments, scripted to fuck.

Edge reckon this is for next gen. Looking forward to it a lot more if thats the case as you know for a fact that it'll disappoint if its for this gen.

Matt_82 wrote:

They also confirm smart phone integration.

Ive been getting the skinny on a lot of the buzz in this from possible future employment, it would be insane if this wasnt in there and expect such things everywhere in a year+ time

I don't really see why that'd make you lose interest, you may as well just kill yourself, cause it's going to be stuffed, in some way, into every possible thing it can be at all attached to

From what that dude was saying, it seems pretty unobtrusive.  It gives you a map and allows you to check up on people previously hacked and whatnot.  

Doesn't seem like you'd need to do it or miss out on much if you gave it a miss.

I've not had time to read up on much about anything that's come out of E3, but I remember reading somewhere that a second player can use a smartphone or tablet to hack things in the game world to aid or hinder the main player.  That sounds very cool.

adkm1979 wrote:

  The worry I have is that my first thought, when he switched all the traffic lights to green at just the right time, is that a truly random game world wouldn't necessarily have the right traffic at the junction to result in a smash.

True that, but it could be that if you hack the traffic lights, a set of cars spawn and collide. Then again, the men in guns appearing would suggest that it is more scripted than that. I just hope that hacking the lights isn't the only pathway. Despite ostensibly being an open-world game, I often felt that the 'correct' route was signposted far too often during the missions in AC (which was why the 'war machine' segments in Brotherhood were so refreshing).

Did you see anything better at E3?