E3 2016 - June 14-16 - The Bear and Badger

Kow

Diluted Dante wrote:

Kow wrote:

Well if I go into a shop on the phone and from my perspective I'm being polite and the attendant decides that their politeness trumps mine for some reason and won't serve me, then all they've done is lose a customer.

Your perspective might not be right though. I need you to confirm something, and you're gabbing away. You're being rude.

When someone is asked a question but they're talking to another person who isnext to them, they apologise and then answer the question. People on the phone ignore you, and then get pissed off at you that the transaction hasn't moved forward.

Not everybody is like that, you see. I neither ignore people, because I understand that I need to be paying attention even more, nor do I get pissed off. Btw, I have been on the other side of the till.

Kow

Diluted Dante wrote:

That's also rude, and I wouldn't bank with them. It's not Santander by any chance is it?

No, it's any bank here. It's not considered rude you see, unless they've actually stopped dealing with you to do it.

Diluted Dante

Almost everyone who is on the phone whilst at the till does this in my personal experience, and the relayed experience of friends. It takes a matter of minutes until you're out of the shop. Just wait.

bad_hair_day

You could be chatting with a friend in the queue, pause to acknowledge the sales person and continue your natter. This is common up north and they're a friendly bunch of inbreds

Yossarian

It's common everywhere these days thanks to mobile phones.

Kow

You could rage at people who don't bother to get their wallets/cards out of their bags or pockets until they're told the price. Or people who look at their shopping dumbly until they've paid and then decide to put it slowly into the bag.

bad_hair_day

Yoss, you misunderstand, it's common to chat to actual people in the queue.

Kow

bad_hair_day wrote:

You could be chatting with a friend in the queue, pause to acknowledge the sales person and continue your natter. This is common up north and they're a friendly bunch of inbreds

Yar, there's not much difference between the phone and having a quiet private conversation with a real person there with you. Or should you only go to the til on your own, so the almighty attendant can lord it over you one to one?

Yossarian

Kow wrote:

You could rage at people who don't bother to get their wallets/cards out of their bags or pockets until they're told the price. Or people who look at their shopping dumbly until they've paid and then decide to put it slowly into the bag.

You could rage at all kinds of things that aren't related to this, yes.

Yossarian

Kow wrote:

bad_hair_day wrote:

You could be chatting with a friend in the queue, pause to acknowledge the sales person and continue your natter. This is common up north and they're a friendly bunch of inbreds

Yar, there's not much difference between the phone and having a quiet private conversation with a real person there with you. Or should you only go to the til on your own, so the almighty attendant can lord it over you one to one?

There's quite a lot of difference. For a start, if two people walk up to the till together I'll say hello to both of them and they'll say hello to me.

Kow

Yar, and I'll say hello to you too. But that doesn't mean you're invited to participate in the conversation in either case. You get your hellos etc.

bad_hair_day

This.

bad_hair_day

Some people make it their mission to be offended by everything on behalf of everyone.

Stopharage

I think it's rude to the sales assistant and other customers. If there's a query with the purchase, the till roll runs out, the price isn't what you thought it would be etc. then the sales assistant and other customers are reliant on you noticing/reacting to that when your attention is elsewhere. More likely that you're going to add to the waiting time of others in that situation. Plus, you're more likely anything beyond the 'here's your receipt' patter (eg. "These are on BOGOF, do you want to get another one", "this only comes with a 1 month warranty as its a refurb unit, hence it's cheapness" etc). It's also pretty demeaning to a (presumely) poorly paid employee and treats them with an air of disdain.

For all its olde world appreciation of the peculiarities of modern life, I'm with Debretts on this one.

What, What Handbook states:
It is always rude to pay more attention to a mobile than a person in the flesh, so mobiles should always be put away when transacting other business – for example in shops, when buying tickets, at the bank or post office, and so on. If there is an emergency or crisis, always apologise for using a mobile.

Yossarian

Kow wrote:

Yar, and I'll say hello to you too. But that doesn't mean you're invited to participate in the conversation in either case. You get your hellos etc.

As I've said, this has fuck all to do with socialising.

If it's two people, then the person you're serving has their attention in the room and will more readily switch it back to you when needs be. The person that they are talking to are also aware of what you are doing and aware of the fact that their friend may have to switch their attention to you, and are prepared for it.

It's a totally different situation, it does not compare at all.

Yossarian

bad_hair_day wrote:

Some people make it their mission to be offended by everything on behalf of everyone.

I spent close to a decade working in retail. This is on no-one's behalf but my own.

Kow

I could hand the phone over to you and you could say hello. Would that make you feel better?

Kow

It's not like a shop transaction is some situation where lightening reflexes are needed anyway.

Yossarian

No, the sales assistants have nothing better to do than stand around like lemons waiting for you because your phone call is so damn important.

bad_hair_day

Yossarian wrote:

bad_hair_day wrote:

Some people make it their mission to be offended by everything on behalf of everyone.

I spent close to a decade working in retail. This is on no-one's behalf but my own.

Oh,how you must have suffered not being centre of attention. Grow a pair you fucking girl.

bad_hair_day

Or talk about E3?

Yossarian

I think there's a decent chance that I'd never have had to seek treatment for depression if I'd never worked in a job where I was treated like shit for so long, so yes, I'd say I suffered.

Kow

Yeah, you see you can be on the phone and not remotely ignore the person working in the shop. I'll always pay attention to then, frankly because I understand what you're saying. But I'm still going to use my phone.

bad_hair_day

Yoss, I was just being a dick.

Kow

I just got served in a bar while sending a text message. What a bastard I am. The waitress didn't seem bothered though.

Yossarian

bad_hair_day wrote:

Yoss, I was just being a dick.

Yes you were.

Kow

I worked as a waiter in Tel Aviv. If you think some people in England are rude, you ain't seen nuthin...

Yossarian

Antisemite.

Kow

Israelis don't do please or thank you. It took me a long time to realise this was language and culture, not rudeness at all.

Bollockoff

I rather like this Nioh trailer. I regret not spending more time getting butt blasted with it.

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