Edge 258 - The Bear and Badger

JMW

MORE THAN WORTH MENTIONING!

JMW

Oh fuck all of them.

tigersgogrrr

monkey wrote:

In the days of the blurum, one of the staffers was championing this. Had some reference to it in his sig and came out with a few hyperbolic statements about it. I presume this revision is his doing. It's a run of the mill iOS puzzle game. [7]

Killingsworth, wasn't it? He was tweeting about it non-stop for a veeeeery long time.

MattyJ

What a load of bollocks. Oh Edge, where did it all go wrong?

g.man

MattyJ

Um?

tigersgogrrr

Um?

hylian_elf

Edge compiling 20 best games of past 20 years for their 20th anniversary malarkey. Readers/anyone can submit their top 10, nostaligia is allowed (which apparently means they don't have to be best to play today or something), and the games need to have been released (in any territory) since first issue of Edge.

So. Another list, eh? I'm going to submit:

Pong
Space Invaders
Jet Set Willy
Defender
Robotron
Elite
Head Over Heels
Asteroids
Donkey Kong
Tetris

Just for a laugh. Expect it's not funny.

Sasukekun

Finally available through Newstand. Seems to be the Doom cover. Half price for 20 days though.

Correction, the iPad edition is EVERY cover, not just one.

Diluted Dante

tigerswiftly wrote:

monkey wrote:

In the days of the blurum, one of the staffers was championing this. Had some reference to it in his sig and came out with a few hyperbolic statements about it. I presume this revision is his doing. It's a run of the mill iOS puzzle game. [7]

Killingsworth, wasn't it? He was tweeting about it non-stop for a veeeeery long time.

Ben Maxwell if I recall correctly.

Tempy

Still don't get the Edge hate, think they're fine still.

If they've given Drop7 a good score, they probably have a reason for it

TheDJR

You're wrong, it's shit now.

equinox_code

stonechalice wrote:

I can't believe the whole Red Dead thing. I never finished it due to boredom and the fact I could not handle seeing yet another glitch in that game, it was fucking horrendous for glitches. An 8 at best. Interested to read what they say about it.

You should probably just accept you don't like these kind of games.

adkm1979

I don't hate Edge, but this is mental.

An Edge [10], like it or not, has a certain status. Even people who find Edge pretentious and arrogant hold the allocation of a [10] in some regard. The way you sustain that regard is not, in any way, shape, or form, by taking a selection of games which were not awarded it for good reason, and dish out the [10]s for the sake of an anniversary feature that nobody is that fussed about. What would have been a braver, and arguably more worthwhile feature, would have been to take these games and reinforce why they didn't quite make it. That's how you keep the Edge [10] status; highlight why it's so very rare.

I don't mean this as hyperbole, but this feature devalues the score they are dishing out to these games, and pisses all over their integrity.

MattyJ

Tempy wrote:

Still don't get the Edge hate, think they're fine still.

If they've given Drop7 a good score, they probably have a reason for it

There is a difference between a good score and an Edge 10. An Edge 10 used to be hugely regarded. Pretty sure the Last of Us tv spots opened with EDGE 10/10 in huge letters, indicating its prestige.

MattyJ

Or what Adkm said.

JMW

I don't hate Edge, giving Drop7 a 10 is wrong not because I don't like it much but because there are better games out there, better in every single aspect that got less than 10.

The nepotism just makes it worse.

equinox_code

I hope all these people moaning about Edge up-marking a few games aren't the same people who've previously uttered 'it's just a number'.

I'm not really interested in the article, but at the same time there's nothing wrong with reevaluating previous decisions.

adkm1979

I don't mind if anyone saying this has said that. I'd argue, given the status that Edge themselves bestowed upon ten, that the difference between seven and eight, and eight and nine, is nothing like the difference between nine and [10]. 5, 6, 7, they are just fairly similar numbers. The description previously afforded to [10] sets it apart.

hylian_elf

If I hated Edge and stopped reading them, I wonder if I would bother reading anything else instead. Still the only gaming publication I buy and read. That's not to say I don't feel they've gotten worse in the past couple of years.

JMW

Drop7 wouldn't be a 10 even if there wasn't any special status set aside for 10. It's a 7 at best.

hylian_elf

Just like LBP and GTAIV.

Tempy

Thanks for trying to help

still don't get it

Owh Whell

JMW

Drop7 isn't a 10 by any conceivable measure, be it originality or execution or graphics or best in its class or whatever. Game most by the husband of an ex-editor is about the only one I can think of.

Tempy

But, Ben Maxwell and Jason Killingsworth both rinsed it for hours, uploading videos on how to get the best scores on the hardest modes, and if you've followed the latter on twitter you'll know how much he loves score chasing, and games that test his skill, i'd highly suspect either of them were behind it, rather than a link to Maggie's hubby, who isn't even involved in Edge anymore.

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The issue with 10s for me is, well, I guess i'm easy. I don't find Edge 10s special like I may once have done, and certainly by the time I was reading Edge I was already able to decide that I liked certain games more than the 7s they were given, and games that were given 10s weren't going to be to my liking.

So to me they've pissed on nothing, because I only read their reviews because I enjoyed them, and their insight into genres I don't really care for. I rarely agree with them on scores, but that doesn't bother me because I tend to find that the text usually reflects the train of thought leading to the score.

Again, as SingSing would say, Owh Whell!

Escape

[why am I about to type what I'm about to type, huh]

I stopped paying attention when Half-Life 2 scored ten. I didn't agree with Halo's, either, but unlike the former, Halo did innovate in one or two key areas. Half-Life 2 embellished then-current trends.

(My prime reason for downmarking Halo would've been Flashpoint. Back to increasingly copied and pasted corridors after a real push for ramblers' liberation. I'd rather have seen what OG Halo turned into.)

Webbins

I got cover 15/20, the OG Modern Warfare sheath. Nice and clean, harks back to when there was a pleasing simplicity to their cover art. Times unfortunately do change. I shall have a leaf through now.

optimark_prime

My subscription copy arrived today....

I ended up with the Final Fantasy VII cover, which was disappointing, it's probably the only game of the 20 cover games I've never played. I wanted Shenmue.

Also, Dreamcast only at number 10.... pfft.

hylian_elf

You've never played FFVII??? You don't like that cover?!?!

optimark_prime

I owned a Saturn.

The cover does nothing for me, because the game has no relevance.

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