The consistency of holding the boos for hogan is perfect.

Night 2 summary

Loved the fiend entrance and the alexa bliss bleeing eyes stuff. Thought the match was pretty good too but yes the finish needed more for a WM match. Did think at times that the Fiend could actually be the new taker he's got the it factor. 

Womens tag match yawn 

I enjoyed KO vs Sammy, but it's just too done to death.. it's like 2019 all over again. KO is soo good. Really got the crowd pumped. 

Shamus and riddle was ok. Good ending. 

Big E vs apollo was the disappointment for the night. Didn't help that even the commentators didn't know who the fuck that guy was. 

Asuka match was worse tbh. Few nice moves but I preferred the flair/rousey stuff a year or so ago. 

I liked the final match, loved the double submission on roman  thought the ending was ok. My biggest gripe really is that a) edge is a has been and looks it b) commentators saying roman is the most dominant champion in recent history - but in reality that was brock c) Daniel bryan as basically a fly weight comes across as mismatched with anyone over 300lbs. 

Also fireworks budget for romans entry and then another set when he lifted the belt at the beginning.. crikey. Maybe they used more on the 2nd night as it wasn't raining.

mk64 wrote:

My biggest gripe really is that a) edge is a has been and looks it b) commentators saying roman is the most dominant champion in recent history - but in reality that was brock c) Daniel bryan as basically a fly weight comes across as mismatched with anyone over 300lbs.  Also fireworks budget for romans entry and then another set when he lifted the belt at the beginning.. crikey. Maybe they used more on the 2nd night as it wasn't raining.

Um, what?



Also no one in that match was 300 pounds, but if you want to see Bryan looking like an absolute star against the most dominant champion in recent history, you can watch it here:



He's an amazing in ring storyteller. This is also probably Lesnars best match in this second run, and it's precisely because of his opponent.

i stopped watching raw about 18 months ago. Maybe slightly longer. I got fed up of watching the same matches week after week. 

If i watched the new day vs shamus and cesaro one more time with different stipulations I was going to go crazy. I also think it undermines them being 11 time champions when I suspect 5 of those was to and fro with shamus and cesaro. 

Then it was rollins vs dolph every week - yawn. 

Nothing happened and I got bored

mk64 wrote:

i stopped watching raw about 18 months ago. Maybe slightly longer. I got fed up of watching the same matches week after week.  If i watched the new day vs shamus and cesaro one more time with different stipulations I was going to go crazy. I also think it undermines them being 11 time champions when I suspect 5 of those was to and fro with shamus and cesaro.  Then it was rollins vs dolph every week - yawn.  Nothing happened and I got bored

I mean that's fair. Raw sucks.

It's just so dumb when the commentators do the "omg who is this guy who I have never ever seen before" act as a lot of the audience will know who he is. And for those that don't I imagine if they did give him some background it would help give context and sell it for anyone who hasn't been watching the tv show.

Diluted Dante wrote:

Cesaro and Sheamus ended the 483 day reign with the WWE Tag Team Championship in December 2016, and also beat them for the Smackdown Tag Team Championship in August 2018. The New Day have never beaten them for the title.

ok, how many times have the bar and the new day wrestled?

there you go then..

rumble was better than mania for me. Just. 

Mania is just too much now It's three to four days of it. if i was there as a fan it'd be ok but the hall of fame thing is a whole night, then you have the pre-show then two full nights. It's just too much. Get pickier about the matches. There's a tonne of belts now so just make every match a title match .

8 hours ?!? As Gawd as my witness, I'd be broken in half.

The only way to do an 8 hour show is to treat it like a festival and have people walk around to different rings to see different shows. etc. Dont think even that would work but jesus, 8 hours on a shitty folding chair watching wrestling sounds awful (I'm sure it was actually good fun while you were there Dante)

yes, jesus imagine turning up not suitable dressed.

I really want to do rumble or mania one year. I know we spoke about it a few years ago. I'm not sure i want to go to the US right now though. Might wait to see how 2023 is looking. I'm in no rush. 

Does anyone think there is just too much content being made at the moment? Which is impacting the quality?

Diluted Dante wrote:

I've just looked it up, 7.5 hours. Thats including the pre-show, but for me, there wasn't any difference. At least it didn't rain I guess.

Was that the year it finished so late the trains back from the stadium weren't running? 7.5 hour show plus the travel time to and from the stadium makes it a monster of a day. I'd be dead by the end.

mk64 wrote:

Does anyone think there is just too much content being made at the moment? Which is impacting the quality?

I watch Dynamite every week and that's it. It's a 2 hour show which is the perfect amount of wrestling for me.

I couldn't watch 3 hours of Raw, 2 hours of Smackdown, and 2 hours of NXT. That would basically be all my free time for a week.

Content wise I think the problem WWE have is a management issue. They don't do long term booking and instead rewrite the shows hours before they go live on air. They have a week to write the show but instead have to do it all last minute.

They also constantly break up tag teams and stables for no reason so it's impossible for teams to get established and go on a run. Breaking up the Hurt Business was such a weird and bad decision.

Also with the women's division they need to stop combining the women's championship with the women's tag belts. I think they've done it 3 or 4 times accross Raw and Smackdown over the past year. It's so for both belts. They did it with Sasha Banks and Bianca Belair then immediately started doing it with Asuka and Rhea both against Nia Jax and Shayna Baszler.

For someone who doesn't watch the shows I have a lot of opinions it turns out. They have such an amazing roster I just wish it was used better.

Frosty wrote:

Diluted Dante wrote:

I've just looked it up, 7.5 hours. Thats including the pre-show, but for me, there wasn't any difference. At least it didn't rain I guess.

Was that the year it finished so late the trains back from the stadium weren't running? 7.5 hour show plus the travel time to and from the stadium makes it a monster of a day. I'd be dead by the end.

 

It was. I actually managed to get a train back, but by the sounds of it it might have been the last one that I got on. According to Google Maps, I was at the stadium complex from 15:40 to 1:05. Got to Penn Station at 1:47, and back to the hotel in Times Square at 2:09.

mk64 wrote:

and what has happened to Jinder?

He was on the stage at the opening of the first night dressing rather hopefully in his ring gear.

Ooh, fuck.

So, Mickie, Wesley Blake and Bo, I understand. Chelsea Green got a lot of heat for covid violations, and I don't think has been used much since.

But the others? Billie Kay and Peyton Royce were a hugely popular tag team split up for no reason at all. Supposedly Vince was hot on Peyton, but since she was soon languashing in another, much worse tag team with a partner no one liked. Billie Kay made chicken feed out of chicken shit after the breakup with the Headshot/Resume thing, but both would clearly have been better served by remaining as a tag team, as would the division.

Tucker, similar story. Heavy Machinary get popular, out of nowhere Otis get Money in the Bank and a singles push, which they then drop entirely for seemingly no reason, Tucker heel turn and team breakup for no reason, then Tucker disappears entirely, and we put Otis in another tag team.

Kalisto, in popular tag team, pointless heel turn, leaves team does nothing.

Samoa Joe.. fucking hell. At my most charitable, injuries are why he's been released. Based on his Twitter, it's probably not. Absolute waste of a massive talent who could have been one of the biggest stars in the world.

Yep. I imagine Triple H has punched out about 50 walls tonight.

Billiekay