Mod74 wrote:

Maybe it's because I'm a grumpy old get but I much prefer the relatively stripped down TF2. It doesn't even have levels afaict and your weapon unlocks are just random drops.

TF2 stripped down??? I thought you liked everyone with same tools? In TF2 there are tons of different weapons that you won't have (and many used to be unlocked via achievements as well). TF2 is a great game but FFS, you have idle servers set up just for trying to unlock weapons and hats!

wonderbanana wrote:

Mod74 wrote:

Maybe it's because I'm a grumpy old get but I much prefer the relatively stripped down TF2. It doesn't even have levels afaict and your weapon unlocks are just random drops.

TF2 stripped down??? I thought you liked everyone with same tools? In TF2 there are tons of different weapons that you won't have (and many used to be unlocked via achievements as well). TF2 is a great game but FFS, you have idle servers set up just for trying to unlock weapons and hats!

Most of the time the stock tf2 weapons are better than the drops though so its often irrelevant. The soldier rocket launcher for example.

the thing that annoys me about tf2 is how easy it is for one team to start spawn a camping decimation session going with the other team not able to leave their base.

It's a "purer" game than something like cod. It's all about the mechanics and map knowledge rather than added on crap like perks and kill streaks. If you get what I mean.

I know how much of a wank using the word purer in relation to a game makes me fyi.

Such a wank, pal.

And Mod is still fairly miserably to understand what it is power weapons do for Halo. There's also a discussion happening here over asymmetric vs symmetric game design (go read Sirlin for more on that). Mod seems to want symmetrical game design and thinks that any form of asymmetric game design is inherently unbalanced. Thing is, a completely symmetrical game design for Halo would lead to absolute stalemate. You need to be given reason to move in the majority of situations and that's because the defending player should always have the superior position (if he's not a numpty).

On the talk of how do you balance for noobs vs pros. You balance for pros and separate noobs from pros with a proper matchmaking system. Then any percieved inbalances at the noob end of the scale are actually down to the lack of skill, experience or teamwork of the players. The solution to it is to get better. If I were designing a game that'd be my dominant philosophy of game testing and balance. However, you also want the game to be fun and reasonably balanced for noobs so I'd want to make design decisions to help them whenever possible as long as they didn't compromise the game for the pro players. That's basically Blizzard's testing/balance philosophy with Starcraft although they might have made too many concessions to the noob end of the scale with SC2.

Please try to answer without being a dick.

Oh the irony.

Both me and others have said multiple times what they do.

You are all wrong.

Bad Company (1 not 2) had the class/weapons locked down. It's all been backwards since then.
4 classes all with the same weapon for that class. No sniper running around with machine gun shit.
Each class tailored for its role, with a advantage/disadvantage to its weapon set, based on that role. This gave it the variety without unbalancing the game.
One game mode (initially) I.e. Rush. No excuses eg "I normally play deathmatch. What am I supposed to be doing?".
No killstreaks, play for the win not for the KDR.

I was always pretty crap whenever I played but Bad Company seemed to be as close to levelling skill-sets across all the classes.

The former: you shoot at regmcfly with shotgun from three tiles away. END TURN Y/N?

I love Guardian. My fondest Halo memories are team doubles with a mate on that map.

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mk64 wrote:

Knight wrote:

I'm trying to think of a power weapon from H3 which spawned in a place you actually wanted to stay in... there was sword in The Pit (which was badly positioned) but then I'm struggling. Mod seems to have some crazy idea of power weapons in Halo where you sit and camp waiting for it to come up and then sit and camp in the same place once you've got it... it's almost like he's never played the game.

snipes on the pit. S1 and S2 snipe and shotty on guardian

The sniper spawned at the base of the tower, and you had to either go up the ramp, or use the grav lift to get to the top of the tower which is where everyone actually went with them. So to get to the best position to use the weapon, you had to move from where it spawned. In doing so, you made yourself open from all sides.

The shotgun on Guardian, I rarely remember people staying there, because you had no exit. You were a sitting duck for grenades, and people could drop in on you from the top. What people actually tended to do was take it with them. You were more likely to encounter the shotgun at the top of gold, on the elbow or at the over shield.

Fair enough it's not sitting in place of the weapon but camping a second (gameplay time) from pick up is near enough camping when people traverse 3-4 seconds of space back and forth. You are pretty well covered picking up snipes and going up the lift or heading back up and over.

Same with shorty. Head up the ramp or hop into gold (2 seconds) and camping starts. At top level you will be called out on lift to snipe 1 in guardian but you can't avoid it or gold in most slayer matches.

The put is the better example and often two hardcore snipes will stalemate that half of the map stopping movement.

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mk64 wrote:

So shotty to elbow is 14? Snipe to s1 is about 5/6. And on the pit from the start on a map that size you get snipe and cannon upto the ledge safe also likely on respawn. How many times have you picked up snipe and not made it up?

Plenty. If you meet someone coming from flag, sword or OS there is a good chance you won't make it up. Also if there is already someone up there.

Feel free to post that pic again Mod.