Nintendo Switch
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The point of launch titles, and especially pack-in games, is to show off the USP of the machine. Whether that’s innovative control inputs or higher power.
Wii Sports was the perfect pack-in game. Playing it explained the Wii.
What might the perfect Switch introduction be? Could you design a game that plays mostly at home but has an essential mobile component? And uses some of the different controller modes? And leverages one of Nintendo’s massive existing IPs?
I reckon Pokemon could do that. A deep game to play on the home console (long gaming sessions don’t work on mobile), which requires you to go out and hunt down Pokemon via GPS like Pokemon Go. Then chuck Pokeballs at them with the motion controls in the JoyCon.
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Because they're mental, as has already been explained. -
mistercrayon wrote:Kiiiiiiiiiiineeeeeeect
Yeah and look popular that proved when people didnt have some software justifying it shoved in their faces. -
Kow wrote:Because they're mental, as has already been explained.
Yep.
This console marketing lark is child’s play. Let’s start a company. -
I held off on PS4 or Bone for a long time, certainly launch prices were too high for me (if not more understandable at the time than Switch considering spec).Vela wrote:I'd be curious as to what price people have bought other consoles at.
Just before Chrimbo I got my PS4 slim. In total i got the slim console, Fifa 17, Uncharted 4, titanfall 2, lego avengers game and extra joypad, which altogether cost £272....or less than a switch with no games."Like i said, context is missing."
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retroking1981 wrote:
Wondered when you'd pop in mate. Thought some of what was shown would perk your interest. Super Bomberman R, 1-2 Switch or Snipperclips raised an eyebrow at all?Tetris v Puyo Puyo to be on Switch. Colour me interested.
Aye. The Bomberman game sounds nice, as does the SF II game. It's like back to the 90's but in a good way.
Arms also looks good, as does the new Mario one. And as I didn't get a Wii U, MK8 Dx is another reason to get a Switch.Holding the wrong end of the stick since 2009. -
I don't really remember what prices I've bought other consoles at, but I do know that I've never paid more than a Switch for any of them, the only console I've ever day-1ed was the Dreamcast, everything else I've waited for price drops. -
Vela wrote:Verecocha wrote:
Do you mean in a straight comparison to an XB1/PS4? As I don't think the comparison would work for a number of reasons. Or do you mean at what point they've gone in on Nintendo consoles?Vela wrote:I'd be curious as to what price people have bought other consoles at.
I simply mean have you ever bought a console for more than a Switch?
I've bought dreamcast, ps3, ps4, 360 and ps2 for more than a Switch.
Ive bought Wii U, Gamecube, xbox and Wii for less. Although with inflation wii might be closein today's dollars.
Point being it is actually an historically cheap console in my country and the complaints are out of whack when compared to the obscenity that was ps3, and 360 which were the two worst launch consoles ever. One had no games. The other had no quality control.
I've bought many consoles for more than a Switch, but that's because they represented better value for money for me and the mass market, which is why the WiiU sold so badly.
Value for money could include a number of things from more powerful tech, Blu-Ray and or 4k drives, HDR enabled, will have all multi platform releases, in what we know at the moment will potentially have much better value for money in their subscription service and don't require another smart device to fully partake. If the Switch is marketing itself towards a different audience with things like 1-2 Switch then it should be priced like the Wii to make it a secondary console, that's why the Wii did so well. If it's going to be strongly based on the legacy players then why only Zelda at launch and then ports up until Mario? The WiiU wasn't a success because it didn't have enough of a mass market appeal, huge gaps in first party support, third parties didn't put their big franchises on it, and it was too expensive for a social party game console.
The complaints make perfect sense, it's a console built using very outdated tech with very few games at an expensive price with very expensive peripherals, all it's really got going for it to me and the majority right now is Zelda, and they're releasing that on their old platform anyway. -
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Only ones I can remember off the top of my head are:
SNES: £150 with SMW & 2 PADS!
N64: £150
PS2: £280 (might have been £270)
GBA: £90
GCN: £130
Wii: £180 with Wii Sports
360: £300 Elite 120GB
PS3: £350 with RR7, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm and Resistance
3DS: £187
Wii U: £325 with Zombi U and Pro Controller
PS4: £290 - 2TB
All came with just a pad unless stated.
The rest I either can't remember or were second hand dealings.オレノナハ エラー ダ -
afgavinstan wrote:He said your arms look good. You been working out?
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I know the Switch isn't going up against the XOne/PS4 launch prices but out of interest here's all historical launch prices adjusted for inflation:
Console Year Original Price 2016 Price
3DO 1993 $699 $1,165.10
Neo-Geo 1991 $649 $1,147.68
Intellivision 1980 $299 $873.97
Atari 2600 1977 $199 $790.92
Atari 5200 1982 $269 $671.39
Sega Saturn 1995 $399 $630.58
PlayStation 3 2006 $499/$599 $596.16/$715.63
Magnavox Odyssey 1972 $99 $570.44
Xbox One 2013 $499 $515.91
PlayStation 1995 $299 $472.54
NES 1985 $199 $445.44
Atari Jaguar 1993 $249 $440.33
Sega Master System 1986 $199 $437.32
ColecoVision 1982 $175 $436.78
PlayStation 2 2000 $299 $418.21
PlayStation 4 2013 $399 $412.52
Xbox 2001 $299 $406.63
PlayStation 4 Pro 2016 $399 $399
TurboGrafx-16 1989 $199 $386.53
Xbox 360 2005 $299/$399 $368.74/$492.07
Sega Genesis 1989 $189 $367.11
SNES 1991 $199 $351.91
Wii U 2012 $299/$349 $313.66/$366.11
Nintendo 64 1996 $199 $305.48
Nintendo Switch 2017 $299 $299
Wii 2006 $249 $297.48
Dreamcast 1999 $199 $287.69
GameCube 2001 $199 $270.64
Source: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/10/04/comparing-the-price-of-every-game-console-with-inflationオレノナハ エラー ダ -
Informative and readable.
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How do I post an excel spreadsheet please?オレノナハ エラー ダ
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It's a fine console but if you think the Xbox one represented anything near value at launch I wanna know what you're smoking.
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Right I'm gonna do a mega post at some point with as much of the info about this as possible so we don't need to go over topics over and over.
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regmcfly wrote:Right I'm gonna do a mega post at some point with as much of the info about this as possible so we don't need to go over topics over and over.
Can we get a mod to delete both Switch threads and start fresh with a nice OP.オレノナハ エラー ダ -
regmcfly wrote:It's a fine console but if you think the Xbox one represented anything near value at launch I wanna know what you're smoking.
There's a difference between it being value for money instantly at launch and knowing it's going to have every major multi-platform for the next 5 or 6 years, whatever exclusives, the best online console network, a BR player and reasonably good tech. At the S launch you had all that plus 4k, HDR plus the BC catalogue value. The PS4 has had very much the same. The Switch doesn't have any of those, it's got some of the Nintendo franchises with no reason to believe it'll have them all. -
Why wouldn't it have them all? That's a rather odd statement. Even WiiU got pretty much the full set.
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regmcfly wrote:Right I'm gonna do a mega post at some point with as much of the info about this as possible so we don't need to go over topics over and over.
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Verecocha wrote:
There's a difference between it being value for money instantly at launch and knowing it's going to have every major multi-platform for the next 5 or 6 years, whatever exclusives, the best online console network, a BR player and reasonably good tech. At the S launch you had all that plus 4k, HDR plus the BC catalogue value. The PS4 has had very much the same. The Switch doesn't have any of those, it's got some of the Nintendo franchises with no reason to believe it'll have them all.It's a fine console but if you think the Xbox one represented anything near value at launch I wanna know what you're smoking.
That's the vicious circle that Nintendo find themselves in. Sega had the same problem with the Dreamcast.
No one has faith it'll eventually become good. PS2 the best selling console of all time was shite out the gates with games, for quite a while to. If we're talking games the DC was far superior for the PS2's first year at least.
If everyone brought a Switch and EA sold 8m copies of FIFA on it you would then see support, but that can't happen without it first selling. But hows it gonna sell if there's no support?
There's a wait and see with Nintendo thats impossible for them to escape.
Sony seemed to get away with it with the PS3, I remember reading that launches aligned both PS3 and 360 sold at a slower rate than the GCN for a year or two yet GCN's 3rd party support was dropped yet they still backed PS3 and 360.オレノナハ エラー ダ -
retroking1981 wrote:
Can we get a mod to delete both Switch threads and start fresh with a nice OP.regmcfly wrote:Right I'm gonna do a mega post at some point with as much of the info about this as possible so we don't need to go over topics over and over.
Make another thread if ya want but by feck we're not deleting the current ones. Only spam gets deleted. -
regmcfly wrote:Why wouldn't it have them all? That's a rather odd statement. Even WiiU got pretty much the full set.
It did? Did it have Metroid, F-Zero, Waverace, Zelda? Some of those I literally aren't sure, and Zelda is going to have a technically better version as a launch title for its next console. -
Dark Soldier wrote:
Make another thread if ya want but by feck we're not deleting the current ones. Only spam gets deleted.retroking1981 wrote:
Can we get a mod to delete both Switch threads and start fresh with a nice OP.regmcfly wrote:Right I'm gonna do a mega post at some point with as much of the info about this as possible so we don't need to go over topics over and over.
There's a fair few duplicate and dead threads that no one would miss on here tbh.オレノナハ エラー ダ
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