Yossarian wrote:Fair play. I doubt that most people feel that way about their work.g.man wrote:My work is anything but drudgery tyvm.Whatever you want. Learn an instrument, learn a language, study a subject that you want to learn more about, write a book, try to read every book in your local library, visit every country on the planet. The possibilities are literally endless.monkey wrote:What are we realistically going to do with all the time?
Funkstain wrote:Two quick things: 1) If we all get put out of jobs by robots, it's worth remembering that "all" is quite a lot of people, and that we do in fact hold all the power, but are coerced into not using it for ourselves. It is (in my opinion) far more in the interests of fat cat capitalists keeping as many as possible in drudge jobs. If robots release us from the nightmare of forced ever-increasing productivity, there will be quite a few people around taking a long look at the state of things and eyeing their pitchfork sheds. 2) Never understood the whole "but if I don't work what will I do?". First no-one says you have to not work. Something like G's skilled labour or creative industries etc will surely need human control for a long time yet. And I find it hard to believe you can't think of enjoyable alternatives to jobs, use your imagination ffs!
The difference being that work enforces conformity anyway - drink and drug problems, and other naughtiness can't manifest themselves anything like as frequently if someone's got to be up early the next day, stay sober until the evening then just gets a few short hours to themselves. Look at alcoholism rates among the long-term unemployed.Yossarian wrote:I'm not convinced that more people would go nuts due to not having things to do than currently go nuts due to the pressures of working for most of their lives in jobs that they hate just to survive.
Well yeah. But its not necessarily going to be one that benefits the majority.Yossarian wrote:As for the creative industries, yes it would be harder to make money, in these particular jobs, but then large-scale automation is almost certainly going to lead a major rethink of how wealth is created and distributed if it's to be sustainable anyway.
monkey wrote:The difference being that work enforces conformity anyway - drink and drug problems, and other naughtiness can't manifest themselves anything like as frequently if someone's got to be up early the next day, stay sober until the evening then just gets a few short hours to themselves. Look at alcoholism rates among the long-term unemployed.Yossarian wrote:I'm not convinced that more people would go nuts due to not having things to do than currently go nuts due to the pressures of working for most of their lives in jobs that they hate just to survive.
Well yeah. But its not necessarily going to be one that benefits the majority.Yossarian wrote:As for the creative industries, yes it would be harder to make money, in these particular jobs, but then large-scale automation is almost certainly going to lead a major rethink of how wealth is created and distributed if it's to be sustainable anyway.
Yossarian wrote:Drink and drug problems and long term unemployment is a pretty major chicken/egg, IMO. Besides, a large number of these 'problems' are only really problems owing to them preventing people being a contributing member of society. If society can tick along nicely without the input of X number of individuals, does it really matter if they want to get pissed all day long?monkey wrote:The difference being that work enforces conformity anyway - drink and drug problems, and other naughtiness can't manifest themselves anything like as frequently if someone's got to be up early the next day, stay sober until the evening then just gets a few short hours to themselves. Look at alcoholism rates among the long-term unemployed.Yossarian wrote:I'm not convinced that more people would go nuts due to not having things to do than currently go nuts due to the pressures of working for most of their lives in jobs that they hate just to survive.This is true.Well yeah. But its not necessarily going to be one that benefits the majority.Yossarian wrote:As for the creative industries, yes it would be harder to make money, in these particular jobs, but then large-scale automation is almost certainly going to lead a major rethink of how wealth is created and distributed if it's to be sustainable anyway.
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