Tempy wrote:Iron Man is the lynchpin for the whole thing. RDJ was an inspired choice (though like all of this MCU stuff you've perhaps got Millar's Ultimates to thank). Given you have the same propensity for higher level wankery that I have, you would probably enjoy the transhumansit reading that my girlfriend threaded through the whole MCU witch characters like Stark, Ultron and The Vision. The bottom line: Marvel are still quite conservative and always resolve their posthuman crisises by shielding human values. But erm yeah what about those DC films eh loltin_robot wrote:Me waffling on about Marvel/DC.
JonB wrote:The thing is I've seen a lot of these films and had no idea they were supposed to be building towards anything. Lots of crossover stuff, sure, and padding to explain why the guy from one film is too busy to appear in this one, but it's the first I've heard of infinity stones or anything like that. I think you can pretty much divide the audience in two for these films - the people who've followed the comics and already know the characters and stories, and want to see it all come together, and the people who are just up for seeing a decent action film and couldn't give a toss about how it all connects. The more they please the first crowd the more they bore the second (well me, anyway).
g.man wrote:Let's face it, Infinity War is just going to be five hours of everyone in the universe punching everyone else while you sit and think "who the fuck is that?"
O-KJRPC wrote:It does sometimes seem that like the qualities and subtleties of these films are actually going over peoples head here.
Yeah, I'm probably just not clever enough.JRPC wrote:It does sometimes seem that like the qualities and subtleties of these films are actually going over peoples head here.
JRPC wrote:Well, glad you enjoyed it but it was a very decent swing and a miss for me. Having read a bunch of reviews now I've seen it, I'm surprised nobody's mentioning...Very clear inspiration, no?Spoiler:
JonB wrote:Yeah, I'm probably just not clever enough. It may also be that it comes across as a lot of waffle to some of us, while it all makes sense to you. Maybe if someone mentioned an infinity stone at some point, that didn't mean anything to me so I forgot all about it, and then it was mentioned again in a different film two years later and I didn't make the connection. Now someone mentions it again and I'm still none the wiser. As for cleverness and wit, as I recall it Civil War was the one where the spent an hour and a half trying to contrive a big fight in an airport. The first Avengers was the one where they spent the last 20 minuted punching non-descript looking aliens about the place (in the second Avengers they changed it to robots). There's the odd good gag, the odd imaginative action sequence (Dr. Strange stood out here, GotG had some nice bits, and even the end of Thor 2 was actually pretty good as I recall), but there's also a lot that's simply uninspired and falls flat. And what appears as subtleties to you may be tedious padding to someone else.It does sometimes seem that like the qualities and subtleties of these films are actually going over peoples head here.
I'd say that these infinity wotsits are probably one of the better ways that the cinematic universe can work, myself. Presumably, during whichever film it is where all of this is going to come together, the provenance of the individual wotsits won't matter one jot, they'll just exist as a set in this film that provides massive power to the baddie. If you've been paying attention, then you can see how they've been woven through the films so far, if you haven't (but have watched some of the previous films), then if nothing else a glowing wotsit should seem thematically coherent with what you've seen before, and you then have the possibility of going back to one of the earlier films and realising that MacGuffin wasn't actually a MacGuffin, but was actually laying the wotsit groundwork, giving a moment of recognition.monkey wrote:Those infinity stones aren't well-used. They're just anonymous space magic maggufins. The casual viewer isn't going to pick up on the fact that blue macguffin from Captain America which they saw 6 years ago is the same type of macguffin as Yellow Macguffin in Avengers 2 and a blue space baddie has a magic glove and wants all the mcguffins for himself. Edit:- I couldnt decide how to spell McGuffin there so went for a scattershot approach.
monkey wrote:Those infinity stones aren't well-used. They're just anonymous space magic maggufins. The casual viewer isn't going to pick up on the fact that blue macguffin from Captain America which they saw 6 years ago is the same type of macguffin as Yellow Macguffin in Avengers 2 and a blue space baddie has a magic glove and wants all the mcguffins for himself. Edit:- I couldnt decide how to spell McGuffin there so went for a scattershot approach.
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