Society's Ills - A study in the perceived inequalities between the "haves" and the "have nots"
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equinox_code wrote:How will we ever reach a consensus that the only way forward is to redistribute some of this capital? At some point someone just has to take it from them without asking. Sorry
What exactly is it you want to take from them? Their pension, or the bricks from their home?
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Maybe the idea is to take away ownership of their home. Leave them in some sort of situation that’s like, I don’t know, let’s just spitball a name for it here … renting? -
From who?
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Dunno. I certainly wouldn’t trust the state to manage it.
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I'm not being thick btw. But your talking about nationalising individual people's property. Property that they have worked for all their lives. A reform of inheritance allowing that to happen without dispossessing people, to achieve this utopia, I could get behind.
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I was being facetious. Noxy was suggesting it though.
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What if instead of government stealing houses, the government just built some?
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How many houses would have to be build before a minimum wage worker could comfortably house their family and still have 90%+ of their income remaining?
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I doubt it’s ever been an average of 10% of someone’s income. That’s an impossible bar.
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Nevertheless you can fix a lot of problems in this country by laying a lot of brick.
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Would support a substantially increased IHT rate over a certain threshold though. The sort of threshold that isn’t going to snatch houses from regular joes.
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The old rule of thumb for housing costs is that they should be no more than a third of your post-tax income. In London, hearing that is like when people tell you that you used to be able to buy a car for £10. -
Often wondered is it possible to keep up with hiuse building as we live longer as generations go on.
My parents had 1 house with 3 kids - we all have homes so that's 4 homes. Assuming the grand kids want more houses that's a further 6 houses so over three generations (let's say 30 year stretch) that one couple housing reuirement is now 10 houses. And if one couple were to split up etc.
I'm all for private ownership of property but 100 percent in favour of the state running ALL residential renting. If you have a property spare, you can apply to the state who will lease it out and pass on your share of the rent to you.
Also not sure how other countries do it but would like to see the end of "bidding" on homes. It's crazy and only inflates the bubble.SFV - reddave360 -
Yes. The UK and Ireland both have incredible amounts of room to build houses.
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I'm not sure if it's still the case, probably is, but I seem to remember a big issue was that these big construction companies that build all these estates bought up all the land then build on the trickle so as not to flood the market and drive down prices.
We probably lack the people to do a mass building operation since Brexit as well.
The latter is easily solvable. The former I guess would need some kind of time limit before forced aquisition maybe. Trouble is then you need people who know how to build a housing estate.
What we need is projects like the new cities 50-60 years ago. A lot of those were various level of failure but the starting concept is sound.
Then we need jobs where these places are being built so need to incentivise companies to either allow WFH or get them out of the big cities. Or both.
It's a problem 30-40 years in the making so it's going to take time to sort it likely with multiple solutions. -
Diluted Dante wrote:Yes. The UK and Ireland both have incredible amounts of room to build houses.
I didn't just mean land - and even that is contentious as building a mass of houses with no infrastructure and no people wanting to move there was a big part of the celtic tiger crash.
I'm thinking more the capacity of the building industry in our countries. Irelands is currently under huge strain for both materials and workers which has seen costs sky rocket. I'm not sure they can keep up with tenfold increase in requirements every 30 to 40 years.SFV - reddave360 -
3d printed houses.
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Listened to a podcast about something like that - some developer who reckoned he could solve irelands problem using a central factory where houses are built from pre fabricated walls and floors. It sounded fascinating and assuming it worked as described would be a very good way to build up a housing stock without the same labour shortage (the description reminded me of the level in titanfall 2 where the houses are made on assembly lines)SFV - reddave360
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GooberTheHat wrote:3d printed houses.
NFT houses!
Seriously though there are people 3d printing buildings. Just a big old concrete extruding nozzle. I'm not all that convinced that they save time, money or even look any good though.
Prefab is defo a better approach. They can even make it look like brick built using moulded facades. -
More Milton Keyneses!LivDiv wrote:I'm not sure if it's still the case, probably is, but I seem to remember a big issue was that these big construction companies that build all these estates bought up all the land then build on the trickle so as not to flood the market and drive down prices. We probably lack the people to do a mass building operation since Brexit as well. The latter is easily solvable. The former I guess would need some kind of time limit before forced aquisition maybe. Trouble is then you need people who know how to build a housing estate. What we need is projects like the new cities 50-60 years ago. A lot of those were various level of failure but the starting concept is sound. Then we need jobs where these places are being built so need to incentivise companies to either allow WFH or get them out of the big cities. Or both. It's a problem 30-40 years in the making so it's going to take time to sort it likely with multiple solutions. -
Ha.
You know what it gets a lot of shit but it's not a bad place really. Or at least it wasn't while the development corporation ran it.
Lots of socialist ideologies around green spaces, community projects, clean air, libraries etc.
What you can't create is hundreds of years of history and culture that everywhere else comes with as standard. -
RedDave2 wrote:Diluted Dante wrote:Yes. The UK and Ireland both have incredible amounts of room to build houses.
I didn't just mean land - and even that is contentious as building a mass of houses with no infrastructure and no people wanting to move there was a big part of the celtic tiger crash.
I'm thinking more the capacity of the building industry in our countries. Irelands is currently under huge strain for both materials and workers which has seen costs sky rocket. I'm not sure they can keep up with tenfold increase in requirements every 30 to 40 years.
Well thats why you wouldn't just randomly build houses. It doesn't have to be new cities, though I'm not opposed to that, but there is plenty of land in and around existing urban centres that can be redeveloped.
You can easily combine this with infrastructure planning, like all the levelling up stuff the Tories jettisoned as soon as they mugged people off for their votes. -
Brown had a big plan for ‘eco-towns’ but that died after the financial crash when the private developers pulled out. And they were just new small towns plonked on the green belt that would need roads built to them so their eco-ness was slightly suspect.
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I’d close Heathrow and turn that into a town. Would probably have the best transport links of any town in the country. Alleviate London housing squeeze. Improve air and noise pollution in West London. Save the planet. And piss off a load of rich people.
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GooberTheHat wrote:I'm not being thick btw. But your talking about nationalising individual people's property. Property that they have worked for all their lives. A reform of inheritance allowing that to happen without dispossessing people, to achieve this utopia, I could get behind.
Wealth tax and land value tax and inheritance tax kicking in at under £500k per parent would be a start -
Funkstain wrote:GooberTheHat wrote:I'm not being thick btw. But your talking about nationalising individual people's property. Property that they have worked for all their lives. A reform of inheritance allowing that to happen without dispossessing people, to achieve this utopia, I could get behind.
Wealth tax and land value tax and inheritance tax kicking in at under £500k per parent would be a start
Absolutely, but repossessing people's homes is just a silly idea that is about as helpful a suggestion as "defund the police" is in terms of the reaction it will generate and the likelihood that it will help move the agenda. -
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