Dickens wrote:"It's not my business,'' Scrooge returned. ``It's enough for a man to understand his own business, and not to interfere with other people's. Mine occupies me constantly. Good afternoon, gentlemen!"
Scotswahey wrote:We only have ourselves to blame but nope...
I'd like to think that we can move on as countries
RedDave2 wrote:Not sure I can get behind that as an argument . Rich lords years ago did something, now everyone else pays for it. (to be clear, I also dont see migration as some punishment or duty that one country owes to the bother. It should be shown as the overall positive thing it is)
acemuzzy wrote:I guess it comes down to how far you view the benefit as stretching. To the rich Lords themselves? To their children? To all their descent? To people their descendents have given money to? The government that have received some of the wealth as tax? To people who live in a country that enjoys a higher quality of live / gdp than it would have done? People who have enjoyed the strength of gbp? I don't think there's an obvious answer in terms of who owns the debt, but I'm unclear if you're saying we're not better off, or we are better off but shouldn't do anything anyway? The latter isn't wholly unreasonable dependent on rationale behind it is suppose. I can't really remember what we're arguing about anyway.RedDave2 wrote:Not sure I can get behind that as an argument . Rich lords years ago did something, now everyone else pays for it. (to be clear, I also dont see migration as some punishment or duty that one country owes to the bother. It should be shown as the overall positive thing it is)
I can't really remember what we're arguing about anyway
Scotswahey wrote:We absolutely have ourselves to blame for what we did 300 years ago because when it came to voting on the war we completely ignored what we did 300 years ago... When Britain took over Afghanistan all that time ago it set the ball rolling. We completely failed to recognize any links between conflicts of the past and conflicts going on today. I'd probably bet that half of those voting for the war hadn't even been aware we'd been in the country before. So we went in... then iraq... then half the middle east has fallen. Ignoring mistakes of the past and repeating them makes us responsible no matter how long ago the first event took place.
Scotswahey wrote:We absolutely have ourselves to blame for what we did 300 years ago because when it came to voting on the war we completely ignored what we did 300 years ago...
Escape wrote:Are there immigration stats for the whole of Europe? We mostly assume the Eastern countries don't take many in, is that true?
Escape wrote:Are there immigration stats for the whole of Europe? We mostly assume the Eastern countries don't take many in, is that true?
We haven't built enough new properties in this country for decades; that is on record. Until we tackle inequality, it's gonna keep rising with the global population.
liveinadive wrote:it is far better that we continue to pay aid, educate and improve these nations and the quality of life within them so that immigration becomes a lifestyle choice not a financial or security choice.
That's a nonsense observation.Scotswahey wrote:One point I've heard about refugees is that if the British had given up like the Syrians did then the Germans would have won. I sort of get that. I mean if a force tried to overthrow our government I'd be staying to fight back but you do see an awful lot of men of fighting age coming into the UK from Syria.
Maybe thats just an ignorant observation.
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