davyK wrote:

FZ1 : http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=5308 FZ2 : http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=34147

Thanks.

I don't think that stuff about FZ2 applies to the MS version.

These weren't perfect ports, but it was a good effort worth tracking down:



The Ecco/Spinball/Gloden Axe Smash Pack was a bit shit.

I've caught myself on whistling that bloody tune.

It really is splendid on Saturn - it benefits from the heft under the bonnet to render it with ease - sounds great too. I hit a wall tonight playing it - it's effing hard in its arcade form.

I'll be playing on to see what other options get unlocked as there's gaps and space for several more in the menu.

I also want to put it on record that my old 32" Sony Bravia LCD is playing a blinder - this game via RGB SCART on it is stunning. The Saturn 2D stuff actually looks really good on it in general.

Unlocked another option in the Saturn version called Inflation. When it is set to "disabled" the prices of items in the shop won't increase.

Hiscore nudged up to 115K. The snowman boss in world 5 generates an awful lot of bullets - I suspect far more than the old 8bit versions would throw at you.

I saved one of my runs and the save file is huge - made a big dent in my backup cartridge!! I suspect replay file tech was in its infancy back then. Still - it's a nice thing to have if want to upload a replay as I have a capture device that could be used with my Saturn with a set of composite cables.

Yep, FZ2 is the peak in terms of visuals for me. 

Getting into practice for Super Punch-Out! by playing Wade Hixton's Counterpunch on GBA.  I wish I hadn't got rid of Punch-Out on the Wii, because I fancy playing that again too - an underrated and slightly forgotten update.

Started looking up some stuff on Super Punch-Out!! (will change the thread title etc later), and according to Wikipedia 'It is the fourth game in the Punch-Out!! series'. Can someone enlighten me there please - unless they're counting variations of Mike Tyson's Punch-Out/not Mike Tyson's Punch-Out I thought it was the first sequel.

Nudged up to 120K on FZ1 (level 5). I then tinkered with the options to lower the difficulty but even with that I only got to the level 6 boss which is a complete bastard and will require a fair bit of skill and practice to get past. Nice to have played this again though - will return to it for the 1CC which will be no mean feat.



level 6 boss at 1:54


I loved Punch Out on the NES - found it hilarious. I had the later release with Tyson replaced with "Mr Dream" who was, as far as I know, just a sprite swap with the moves kept intact. The original NES game is Mike Tyson's Punch Out - but the Tyson moniker was dropped and his character swapped out when he ended up in the clink.

My big hurdle in the game was Super Macho Man - I actually beat Mr Dream after a couple of attempts without too much pain - but I believe I may have been lucky. Will be interesting to return to it.

The SNES version (Super Punch Out) is excellent too but I got stuck at the old guy with the walking stick - just couldn't get the timing of that one - couldn't even see the attacks coming - so that one is unfinished business. The SNES version has a TT mode with best times kept for each fighter which is nice for revisiting.

Wii version - I completed the 1st run through the career mode - but the 2nd one seems much harder - had diffs getting past Glass Joe even on that. The Wii version is quite brilliant - doesn't seem to have got as much attention as it deserved. There are control options - you can adopt the classic NES style control if you can't be arsed throwing punches - and at the other end of the scale you can stand on the balance board and use that for dodging and ducking.

davyK wrote:

I loved Punch Out on the NES - found it hilarious. I had the later release with Tyson replaced with "Mr Dream" who was, as far as I know, just a sprite swap with the moves kept intact.

Punch Out was made slightly easier than the Mike Tyson version, not just Mr Dream/Mike Tyson but the game as a whole.

davyK wrote:

My big hurdle in the game was Super Macho Man - I actually beat Mr Dream after a couple of attempts without too much pain - but I believe I may have been lucky. Will be interesting to return to it.

Definitely! Macho Man is the one I struggle with the most.

Still have the cartridge in the box. Will be booting this up and trying to get past the oul git with the walking stick.

I'm up to the 4th opponent in this. I can pretty much guarantee that this - and the NES installment - would have been firm favourites of mine as a kid. I played Heavyweight Champ for months in 1990, which felt like a bit of a mess when I returned to it recently. The simplicity of the pattern leaning/reactions gameplay in Punch-Out is outstanding. Enjoying this.

Funkstain wrote:

Dark Souls is basically Punch-out with weapons and interesting ring-side scenery.

I thought this was a joke, then I mentioned it to a mate who plays Dark Souls and he seemed to agree with it. 

I'm up to the world circuit on this now.  I'm only using save states at the start of each fight, and it's taking me plenty of attempts to beat each character now.  Dragon Chan and Mr. Sandman have been the toughest for me (a certain thee punch combo from the latter was particularly hard to times the dodges for).  I can't find anything to criticise so far - an excellent game.

Punch-out:

- Spend some time learning the move-sets of your opponent, in a one-after-the-other order
- Difficulty is high (until you learn said move-set) from the first opponent, with their punches virtually knocking you out in one go vs. your weedy slaps
- Fuck up the timing, even with an opponent you usually crush, and you'll get K.Oed

Dark Souls:

- See above, but add in weapon and levelling fetishism and some nice walking around between "rings", and take away the charm and whimsy

It took me ages to work out the block/dodge/block technique for Arran Ryan's combo flurry. Very satisfying once you suss it though.

Yeah I'll give it that, TT definitely added some replay value compared to the NES one.