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Ok... So it's not the most imaginative title, but I'm open to suggestions.
Last Gen (360/PS3) was the generation of XBL.
We were all very much encouraged to put our systems online. Multiplayer games, cheap comms, cheap (occasionally free) games, and of course, more vitally, firmware, meant that playing anything without a broadband connection was extremely difficult.
Now it's very close to impossible to play a videogame without being connected to the internet.
I haven't been playing many games recently, but when I do (usually SF5), I first have to log into Steam (online), and the the SF5 server itself.
If either of those systems are down, then I don't bother playing the game... My achievements aren't persisted, and I can't play against anyone...
This never used to bother me, and until recently, I thought I was in someway unaffected by the whole achievement/multiplayer paradigm...
I tried to convince myself that XBL was for kids... Not me. But I was wrong, and the change in my mindset was almost imperceptible.
That's not the only issue though. Firmware updates now mean that games systems just won't work without an online connection.
So with that being the case, do we think that the games industry as it stands right now (with it's CoDs and Fifas at one end, and The Last Guardian at the other) is taking full advantage of digital revolution?
At one time, one would argue that Nintendo and Sega et al were at the forefront of applied HCI, in the consumer market at least...
But right now, even some of the very latest games (VR stuff included) almost seem like an anachronism when compared to what the likes of Google, Facebook and Apple are doing now, because of their willingness to embrace the internet."I didn't get it. BUUUUUUUUUUUT, you fucking do your thing." - Roujin
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I thought you were starting a thread to try and get quoted in the magazine"I spent years thinking Yorke was legit Downs-ish disabled and could only achieve lucidity through song" - Mr B -
Is this going to be one of those threads where people list loads of companies doing new and innovative stuff, then conclude it's the big players being overly cautious because of shareholders and the like?
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I were quoted 3 times.dynamiteReady wrote:Ok... So it's not the most imaginative title, but I'm open to suggestions. Last Gen (360/PS )
1.) was the generation of XBL.
We were all very much encouraged to put our systems online. Multiplayer games, cheap comms, cheap
(2.)occasionally free) games, and of course, more vitally, firmware, meant that playing anything without a broadband connection was extremely difficult. Now it's very close to impossible to play a videogame without being connected to the internet. I haven't been playing many games recently, but when I do (usually SF5), I first have to log into Steam (online), and the the SF5 server itself. If either of those systems are down, then I don't bother playing the game... My achievements aren't persisted, and I can't play against anyone... This never used to bother me, and until recently, I thought I was in someway unaffected by the whole achievement/multiplayer paradigm... I tried to convince myself that XBL was for kids... Not me. But I was wrong, and the change in my mindset was almost imperceptible. That's not the only issue though. Firmware updates now mean that games systems just won't work without an online connection. So with that being the case, do we think that the games industry as it stands right now
3.) (with it's CoDs and Fifas at one end, and The Last Guardian at the other) is taking full advantage of digital revolution?
4.) At one time, one would argue that Nintendo and Sega et al were at the forefront of applied HCI, in the consumer market at least... But right now, even some of the very latest games (VR stuff included) almost seem like an anachronism when compared to what the likes of Google, Facebook and Apple are doing now, because of their willingness to embrace the internet.
1.) and psn.
2.) free games every month, 6 in my case as i owned ps4, ps3 and vita.
3.) All my games are digital, so very much so but cod and fifa are shite and bought yearly by muppets who know no better.
4.) im not sure exactly what your getting at here but in an effort to keep the conversation going im just going to point out that google and facebook are internet based companies whos buisness is the internet.
Sony are a hardware company whos come in to this buisness of being online and will be forever behind these huge behemoths of the internet, but at least there pushing tech and there servers for online/ downloads etc have improved since last gen.
Microsoft are a software company who biggest buisness is in windows operating system im led to believe, i think xbox live hasn't improved but steadly got worse since last gen as wittned here and on neogaf with the amount of times its been down etc.
Both sony and microsoft have there hands in many pies wether it be mobile phones, tvs, vr or hololens.
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S'true. Live had outages in the 360 era, it has outages today. I can't claim to have noticed them happening with greater frequency.
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Yeah Live really hasn't gotten worse, the demands of it I'd imagine are more than ever and I think it's only been down for an extended period when that group made attacks over the festive period.
The current gen of consoles is very probably my favourite for a number of reasons, some being because of the ease of access and use to my catalogue of games, variety of marketplaces I can get via funny means, the always online nature and recognition of profiles abs access, it's all seamless and it makes the entire gaming experience easier.
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I did get a letter in there once and they even credited it to C Beard, which I thought was a nice touch"I spent years thinking Yorke was legit Downs-ish disabled and could only achieve lucidity through song" - Mr B
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The point of this thread?
Remember how EA made a huge effort to explain the benefit of a centralised server before launching Tittyfall? Or Crackdown 3's proposed cloud rendering system? The popularity of Advance Wars By Web and other browser based games? Day one patches?
All a far cry from £60 cartridges, regional releases, and guarantees of x hours of gameplay...
Thought it was all worth a discussion, because this year's E3 offered nothing new. VR aside."I didn't get it. BUUUUUUUUUUUT, you fucking do your thing." - Roujin
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This online offline argument needs to be answered once and for all. Somebody said they were dumping an entire collection of the magazine. Collate the data before doing that. And then report back. Whoever you are.
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Verecocha wrote:Yeah Live really hasn't gotten worse, the demands of it I'd imagine are more than ever and I think it's only been down for an extended period when that group made attacks over the festive period.
The current gen of consoles is very probably my favourite for a number of reasons, some being because of the ease of access and use to my catalogue of games, variety of marketplaces I can get via funny means, the always online nature and recognition of profiles abs access, it's all seamless and it makes the entire gaming experience easier.
Never has it been easier or quicker to get to exactly what I want when I want from a console. And I doubt I've ever put as much time into gaming as I have this gen.
That would probably explain it and i agree with pretty much everythi g said here.
dynamiteReady wrote:The point of this thread?
Remember how EA made a huge effort to explain the benefit of a centralised server before launching Tittyfall? Or Crackdown 3's proposed cloud rendering system? The popularity of Advance Wars By Web and other browser based games? Day one patches?
All a far cry from £60 cartridges, regional releases, and guarantees of x hours of gameplay...
Thought it was all worth a discussion, because this year's E3 offered nothing new. VR aside.
Crackdowns cloud rendering has been awol, has there been any mention of it lately.
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AFAIK, Crackdown's clodtech was never to do with rendering, but to do with physics processing and destruction.
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TheDJR wrote:I originally registered for the EDGE forum because I thought ubermod's comments in online/offline were funny, I never thought I'd get to meet the man himself.
hahaha, of all the heroes to have
Kinda miss him though"I spent years thinking Yorke was legit Downs-ish disabled and could only achieve lucidity through song" - Mr B -
djchump wrote:AFAIK, Crackdown's clodtech was never to do with rendering, but to do with physics processing and destruction.
Processing AI in the 'clod' might also work extremely well.
Imagine what you can do with all the data you can squeeze out of the playing community. Like, how advanced is that Forza drivitar feature? A race driving AI that can compete with the best Forza players would be an interesting thing.
You'd need the interwebs to pull that off (for now, at least). Though you wouldn't need to stay online to enjoy the rest of the game.
But it's probably not as cool a USP as the obvious visual impact of a physics engine that can't be solved on the client system.
That gives you a clear reason to stay online. Much like multiplayer features do, and episodic gaming might.
And yeah. I got on 'Online/Offline' once, but nowhere near as often as some of you dicks. : P"I didn't get it. BUUUUUUUUUUUT, you fucking do your thing." - Roujin
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dynamiteReady wrote:Like, how advanced is that Forza drivitar feature? A race driving AI that can compete with the best Forza players would be an interesting thing. You'd need the interwebs to pull that off (for now, at least).
Sigh.
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I think he's suggesting a learning algorithm that collects data from people playing against it, which would.
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Examples please thank you.dynamiteReady wrote:But right now, even some of the very latest games (VR stuff included) almost seem like an anachronism when compared to what the likes of Google, Facebook and Apple are doing now, because of their willingness to embrace the internet. -
AJ wrote:I think he's suggesting a learning algorithm that collects data from people playing against it, which would.
Or you could just programme it to be better than humanly possible, like games since they began. -
Fuck this, I'm not getting sucked in to one of DR's insane mental spazthreads.
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